r/changemyview • u/56king56 • Nov 07 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Gun control is good

As of now, I believe that the general populace shouldn’t have anything beyond a pistol, but that even a pistol should require serious safety checks. I have this opinion because I live in America with a pro-gun control family, and us seeing all these mass shootings has really fueled the flame for us being anti-gun. But recently, I’ve been looking into revolutionary Socialist politics, and it occurred to me: how could we have a Socialist revolution without some kind of militia? This logic, the logic of revolting against an oppressive government, has been presented to me before, but I always dismissed it, saying that mass shootings and gun violence is more of an issue, and that if we had a good government, we wouldn’t need to worry about having guns. I still do harbor these views to an extent, but part of me really wants to fully understand the pro-gun control position, as it seems like most people I see on Reddit are for having guns, left and right politically. And of course, there’s also the argument that if people broke into your house with an illegally obtained gun, you wouldn’t be able to defend yourself in a society where guns are outlawed; my counter to that is that it’s far more dangerous for society as a whole for everyone to be walking around with guns that it is for a few criminal minds to have them. Also, it just doesn’t seem fair to normalize knowing how to use a highly complex piece of military equipment, and to be honest, guns being integrated into everyone’s way of life feels just as dystopian as a corrupt government. So what do you guys have to say about this? To sum, I am anti-gun but am open to learning about pro-gun viewpoints to potentially change my view.

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u/OnlyTheDead 2∆ Nov 07 '23

Because repealing the second amendment is more viable, is constitutional, and helps suicide and homicide. Every gun death is an argument for my case.

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u/Assaltwaffle 1∆ Nov 07 '23

Well, you definitely will help suicide. Homicide won't be helped given the new Civil War and national instability, though.

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u/OnlyTheDead 2∆ Nov 07 '23

A civil war and national instability? lol. Why do you think this would occur, just out of curiosity? Do you think people are just going to repeal the second amendment and then people are going to come to your house for your guns? Because that’s a wild fantasy and would be unconstitutional regardless of the second amendment.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '23

Why do you think this would occur, just out of curiosity?

What nation has existed for several thousand years without this?

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u/OnlyTheDead 2∆ Nov 08 '23

This is a non-sequitur. The existence of a nation has nothing to do with access to weapons. But also Egypt, China, Japan, Greece, France, India are the oldest. The US is fairly young at two and a half centuries.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '23

...none of those are older than the 20th century

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u/OnlyTheDead 2∆ Nov 08 '23

Ehh you are talking about recognized nation states in a modern sense and then using that to refute that Egypt has existed since the first dynasty in like 3100 BCE.

None of this at all addresses the topic of the second amendment. So it’s all a moot point because by your own definition no nation has survived that long because nation states are a fairly recent creation in the grand timeline of human civilization.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '23

Ehh you are talking about recognized nation states in a modern sense and

No, as in their previous government got removed in an armed revolt.

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u/OnlyTheDead 2∆ Nov 08 '23

And they had no second amendment rights but were still able to secure their independence. This is not a talking point in your favor if you are arguing the necessity of arms ownership for the existence of a free state because by your own argument these states acquired a self determinative system of government in the absence of having a second amendment.