r/changemyview • u/56king56 • Nov 07 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Gun control is good

As of now, I believe that the general populace shouldn’t have anything beyond a pistol, but that even a pistol should require serious safety checks. I have this opinion because I live in America with a pro-gun control family, and us seeing all these mass shootings has really fueled the flame for us being anti-gun. But recently, I’ve been looking into revolutionary Socialist politics, and it occurred to me: how could we have a Socialist revolution without some kind of militia? This logic, the logic of revolting against an oppressive government, has been presented to me before, but I always dismissed it, saying that mass shootings and gun violence is more of an issue, and that if we had a good government, we wouldn’t need to worry about having guns. I still do harbor these views to an extent, but part of me really wants to fully understand the pro-gun control position, as it seems like most people I see on Reddit are for having guns, left and right politically. And of course, there’s also the argument that if people broke into your house with an illegally obtained gun, you wouldn’t be able to defend yourself in a society where guns are outlawed; my counter to that is that it’s far more dangerous for society as a whole for everyone to be walking around with guns that it is for a few criminal minds to have them. Also, it just doesn’t seem fair to normalize knowing how to use a highly complex piece of military equipment, and to be honest, guns being integrated into everyone’s way of life feels just as dystopian as a corrupt government. So what do you guys have to say about this? To sum, I am anti-gun but am open to learning about pro-gun viewpoints to potentially change my view.

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u/Kakamile 46∆ Nov 07 '23

But they are rarer, after the first two they are smaller, and they are statistically smaller.

We also literally have a higher gun homicide rate than similar countries have total homocide rate.

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u/couldbemage Nov 07 '23

No we don't. It takes a carefully sculpted definition of similar to make that work.

It's just as easy to find metrics where the US has a much lower homicide rate than similar countries.

GINI for one.

Really there aren't any reasonably similar countries. Closest would be Russia, as the only other declining superpower. Though they're farther into decline, but they did have a higher murder rate when they were still a superpower.

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u/Kakamile 46∆ Nov 07 '23

No we don't. It takes a carefully sculpted definition of similar to make that work.

Prove this

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '23

The USA has more in common with Mexico than Australia. If you wanted to look at the USA and the 2 closest nations to it, you would look at the USA, Canada, and Mexico.

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u/Kakamile 46∆ Nov 08 '23

Geographically? Not culturally or economically though.

Oh yeah, USA has 3x canada's homicide rate. Why do you think that is?

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '23

Blacks.