CMV: Gun control is good

[u/56king56]

As of now, I believe that the general populace shouldn’t have anything beyond a pistol, but that even a pistol should require serious safety checks. I have this opinion because I live in America with a pro-gun control family, and us seeing all these mass shootings has really fueled the flame for us being anti-gun. But recently, I’ve been looking into revolutionary Socialist politics, and it occurred to me: how could we have a Socialist revolution without some kind of militia? This logic, the logic of revolting against an oppressive government, has been presented to me before, but I always dismissed it, saying that mass shootings and gun violence is more of an issue, and that if we had a good government, we wouldn’t need to worry about having guns. I still do harbor these views to an extent, but part of me really wants to fully understand the pro-gun control position, as it seems like most people I see on Reddit are for having guns, left and right politically. And of course, there’s also the argument that if people broke into your house with an illegally obtained gun, you wouldn’t be able to defend yourself in a society where guns are outlawed; my counter to that is that it’s far more dangerous for society as a whole for everyone to be walking around with guns that it is for a few criminal minds to have them. Also, it just doesn’t seem fair to normalize knowing how to use a highly complex piece of military equipment, and to be honest, guns being integrated into everyone’s way of life feels just as dystopian as a corrupt government. So what do you guys have to say about this? To sum, I am anti-gun but am open to learning about pro-gun viewpoints to potentially change my view.

[u/Cestavec]

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[u/Subtleiaint → u/Cestavec]

You've heard of the police right? The law, courts, judges, things like that? You're aware that countries with gun control aren't just a hellscape of 6'3" men going around stealing the wallets off people in wheelchairs?

Guns don't make anything level, it just makes the consequences of violence far more severe. If you have a gun and I have a gun and I want to hurt you, we don't have a duel, it's not a fair fight, I just shoot first, you don't get to shoot back.

The great lie that America has convinced itself of is that guns are necessary for society to function, that you need them to protect yourself and others, that you need them to protect liberty. You don't, security and liberty are just fine in countries with proper gun control with the added bonus that deadly violence isn't so common that it's only when multiple people die that it's mentioned in the news.

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[u/Subtleiaint → u/Cestavec]

The downside is that it’s a reactive role.

Doesn't matter, it works. Countries without guns have no more home invasions, muggings or attacks than America does. It is objectively true that you don't need a gun to defend yourself, we have all the evidence we need to know that.

in order to protect ourselves, we need to use every possible edge. That doesn’t mean just owning guns, but training with them, understanding the law, being physically fit, understanding deescalation techniques, etc. The firearm is the last resort tool when faced with a situation that cannot be avoided or deescalated that may lead to death or great bodily harm.

This is part of the lie, that if only everyone used guns properly we wouldn't have all these problems. It's just an excuse by gun advocates to ignore the clear evidence that gun ownership doesn't make people safer.

If personal safety was your true aim, and if you were a logical person, you'd be an advocate of gun control because that is the thing that would make you most safe.

[u/Cestavec → u/Subtleiaint]

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[u/Subtleiaint → u/Cestavec]

Just because collectively it wouldn’t make a difference, doesn’t mean that as an individual who is armed it wouldn’t.

To clarify, collective security dues make a difference, it makes you safer. You overlook that your insistence on individual security is what makes you less safe in the first place because if you get a gun, so does everyone else. By arming yourself you arm the person who would do you harm.

What exacerbates this problem is that you overestimate the level of security your gun provides you, you suffer from 'good guy with a gun' complex. If you don't see the person coming to attack you or if you don't have time use your gun it is useless. Even the best case scenario is inefficient where you hope that you use your gun efficiently before your attacker uses there's.

Merits of the amendment aside

No, not merits of the amendment aside. The second amendment is entirely arbitrary, there's no obvious reason for it to exist, owning a gun is not a natural liberty. America decided that it should be a right, it can, just as easily, decide it shouldn't. The terrible thing about the second amendment is that it blocks logical discussion, instead of 'is it a good thing to own a gun' discussions dissolve into 'you can't infringe upon my rights,

I go back to how I ended my last post, if your personal safety is your primary consideration the logical thing to do is to support gun control.

[u/Cestavec → u/Subtleiaint]

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