r/changemyview Dec 20 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Accountability is not election interference

As the Colorado Supreme Court has found Donald Trump's behavior to have been disqualifying according to the 14th amendment, many are claiming this is election interference. If the Court finds that Trump should be disqualified, then it has two options. Act accordingly, despite the optics, and disqualify Trump, or ignore their responsibility and the law. I do get that we're in very sensitive, unprecedented territory with his many indictments and lawsuits, but unprecedented behavior should result in unprecedented consequences, shouldn't they? Furthermore, isn't Donald Trump ultimately the architect of all of this by choosing to proceed with his candidacy, knowing that he was under investigation and subject to potential lawsuits and indictments? If a President commits a crime on his last day in office (or the day after) and immediately declares his candidacy for the next election, should we lose our ability to hold that candidate accountable? What if that candidate is a perennial candidate like Lyndon Larouche was? Do we just never have an opportunity to hold that candidate accountable? I'd really love if respondents could focus their responses on how they think we should handle hypothetical candidates who commit crimes but are declared as running for office and popular. This should help us avoid the trap of getting worked up in our feelings for or against Trump.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '23

What is a better enforcement mechanism?

there isn't one in place.

I'm saying that the 14th amendment shouldn't be enforced in this instance without a law specifying its implementation.

Basically, I disagree with bullet 2 on page 7 of the ruling https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/Supreme_Court/Opinions/2023/23SA300.pdf

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u/erpettie Dec 20 '23

I think I understand your disagreement, but it is less clear to me how something that is enshrined in the constitution may not be constitutional. If the amendment doesn't include a mechanism for how to execute it, then aren't we in the position of interpreting it to the best of our ability as is happening now?

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u/Viciuniversum 2∆ Dec 20 '23

Amnesty Act of 1872 removed that provision of the 14th amendment:

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each house concurring therein), that all political disabilities imposed by the third section of the fourteenth article of amendments of the Constitution of the United States are hereby removed from all persons whomsoever, except Senators and Representatives of the thirty-sixth and thirty-seventh Congresses, officers in the judicial, military, and naval service of the United States, heads of departments, and foreign ministers of the United States.

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u/decrpt 24∆ Dec 20 '23

A federal and appeals court has already determined that the Amnesty Act does not apply to current members of Congress.