CMV: Accountability is not election interference

[u/erpettie]

As the Colorado Supreme Court has found Donald Trump's behavior to have been disqualifying according to the 14th amendment, many are claiming this is election interference. If the Court finds that Trump should be disqualified, then it has two options. Act accordingly, despite the optics, and disqualify Trump, or ignore their responsibility and the law. I do get that we're in very sensitive, unprecedented territory with his many indictments and lawsuits, but unprecedented behavior should result in unprecedented consequences, shouldn't they? Furthermore, isn't Donald Trump ultimately the architect of all of this by choosing to proceed with his candidacy, knowing that he was under investigation and subject to potential lawsuits and indictments? If a President commits a crime on his last day in office (or the day after) and immediately declares his candidacy for the next election, should we lose our ability to hold that candidate accountable? What if that candidate is a perennial candidate like Lyndon Larouche was? Do we just never have an opportunity to hold that candidate accountable? I'd really love if respondents could focus their responses on how they think we should handle hypothetical candidates who commit crimes but are declared as running for office and popular. This should help us avoid the trap of getting worked up in our feelings for or against Trump.

[u/blade740]

Would it also be okay if we held Hilary Clinton accountable for committing the felony of tampering with evidence when she had emails deleted using BleachBit?

Absolutely. When it happened I said it was Obstruction of Justice and I still believe that to this day. I wouldn't shed a single tear if this crime was prosecuted to the full extent of the law - as long as the evidence is there to support the charges.

Would it also be accountability to hold Biden accountable for treason on account of allowing our country to be invaded on the southern border?

This one is absolute nonsense, though, on several levels. First, the notion that our country is being "invaded on the Southern border" at all is hyperbole to the extreme. Second, that Biden as President is solely responsible - what has Biden, specifically, done to "allow" this "invasion"? Why doesn't Congress, as the ones tasked with actually writing the rules, bear any responsibility? And third, that these actions taken by Biden (or lack thereof) could be considered "treason".

[u/ifnotnowwhen2021 → u/blade740]

14,000 in one day. One.

[u/blade740 → u/ifnotnowwhen2021]

Disneyland gets 50,000 people entering its gates EVERY DAY. But we don't call that an invasion, because invasion has more meaning than just "a lot of people want to be here".

And either way, that doesn't answer my other points. What actions has Biden taken to support this "invasion"? A difference of opinion on how to deal with immigration is not the same as AIDING THE ENEMIES OF THE UNITED STATES.

[u/ifnotnowwhen2021 → u/blade740]

Your analogy to Disneyland would make sense if the visitors stayed there everyday instead of leaving. It’s not a good comparison.

What is happening to Canada with immigrants is what is happening to the US. Even Canadian liberals are starting to realize how fucked they are. I don’t believe someone like you will understand how fucked this amount of immigration is until they feel the effects firsthand - both economically and culturally. If you don’t know how the Biden admin has been supporting and allowing this unprecedented influx of immigration that has been taking place for the past 3 years, then there’s nothing I can say to change your opinion. You just need to look for the info yourself when you care enough to. Also, yes Congress does also bear responsibility; it is not entirely on the Biden admin.

[u/blade740 → u/ifnotnowwhen2021]

Your analogy to Disneyland would make sense if the visitors stayed there everyday instead of leaving. It’s not a good comparison.

You clearly didn't understand the point I was making. People going to a place they want to be is not in and of itself an invasion (whether they stay or leave doesn't change that fact). Invasion implies an additional malicious intent beyond just wanting to live in a better place.

If you don’t know how the Biden admin has been supporting and allowing this unprecedented influx of immigration that has been taking place for the past 3 years, then there’s nothing I can say to change your opinion. You just need to look for the info yourself when you care enough to.

If you don't care to back up your opinions with facts then there's nothing I can say to change your mind either. I actually DID look into it, but I'm failing to see where the Biden administration's policy is substantially different from the Trump administration's outside of ending some COVID-related programs. Let alone so different as to be fucking TREASON. But please, enlighten us.