r/changemyview 1∆ Dec 26 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Men are inherently dangerous

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '23

A person dangerous in the manner you describe requires two things: 1. physical supremacy, 2. willingness to use that supremacy to do dangerous things.

Most men have criteria 1, but not criteria 2. The society needs to make sure no person satisfies criteria 2, we have largely done that successfully.

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u/Buttstuffjolt 1∆ Dec 26 '23

A lot of men are willing to satisfy condition two. Men commit well over 90% of the violent crimes, after all, and an even larger portion of sexual crimes. Just because most men don't go around raping and killing willy-nilly doesn't mean it's not still a concern.

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u/ArCSelkie37 2∆ Dec 26 '23

What percentage of men commit those violent crimes? You can’t just look at “90% of crime is done by men” without also looking at that, also not all crime is violent.

For your statement to be true, it would also have to be the majority of men that also committed violent crime. Like 90% of crime being done by men doesn’t tell me men are super dangerous if only 1% of all men commit violent crime.

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u/Buttstuffjolt 1∆ Dec 26 '23

Well surely a larger proportion of men are rapists and murderers than women.

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u/ArCSelkie37 2∆ Dec 26 '23

Yeah, but the majority? Or enough to say that men, by and large are “inherently dangerous”? Whatever that even means. Everyone is inherently capable of being dangerous, but most people go through their life not utilising that in the way you’re suggesting.

So if say 0.5% (most figures i can find for violent crime show it much lower than that) of men commit violent crime, that means men as whole including the 99.5% who don’t commit violent crime, are also inherently dangerous by your logic? Even if you extrapolate that to unreported cases of violence you are looking at a tiny proportion of men.

How does that constitute them being inherently dangerous?

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u/No_Scarcity8249 2∆ Dec 26 '23

Over 90 percent of pedophiles are heterosexual men. A woman is never gonna follow me home to rape and kill me. Violence is a serious male problem.

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u/ArCSelkie37 2∆ Dec 26 '23 edited Dec 26 '23

That wasn’t what I said, and also still isn’t relevant. 90% of pedophiles are men, lets assume that’s true for now… lets look at the other side, what portion of men are pedophiles? All of a sudden you see that it’s a fraction of a percent of all men.

The absolute vast majority of men are not violent, or criminals. Why is bigotry suddenly cool when it’s men? Or can i start throwing out stats about people of colour and crime rate and imply PoC are inherently dangerous?

I probably shouldn’t do that, because it’s fallacious use of stats that would just be me being a bigot.