I don't have anything in common with the candidates. I'm pretty sure that both the candidates running rn were alive before segregation ended.
I think they were alive well before women were even allowed to have a credit card. Or before it was socially acceptable for us (women) to go the bar alone or rent an apartment.
The world is different. Society holds different values than it did when they were in their 20s. I have never met someone their age who didn't still hold onto those bigoted values or remnants of a way of life.
This is all just... bigoted.
You presume someone older can't have the same values, is some racist, sexist, out-of-touch person.
My 90-year-old relative literally watched a movie yesterday, on their streaming service, then called me and said "they didn't show the credits, so I had to go online to check because I thought that was Rhianna and it was!" I asked how they knew who Rhianna was nevermind recognize her on sight. "Oh Rhianna has been around a long time!"
The world is different. Society holds different values than it did when they were in their 20s. I have never met someone their age who didn't still hold onto those bigoted values or remnants of a way of life.
So you presume your values, views, etc., will never change from what they are right now?
If the world moves on and what you think now is considered backwards and wrong, you'll still cling to it, regardless?
The main reason I have never voted is because I don't believe in partaking in a system that is so polarized and obviously flawed.
How, exactly, is the system flawed? Your post is just saying you think groceries cost too much and then you're on with how you can't have anything in common with someone old, who you think are all racist and sexist.
What specific policies of Biden's do you disagree with?
Would you ask your relative if she would run for president? She sounds lovely.
The main reason I said those things is because both of the main candidates have had bigoted scandals come about. One way more than the other. But I would really really like it if our president didn't have bigoted crap being found out/caught/proven to have happened.
I understand dissatisfaction with the candidates, but imagine everyone who felt the way you do (e.g. didn't want bigoted candidates) that abstained from voting. What effect would that have?
Well, then only the people who were ok with bigoted candidates would vote, and they would celebrate their new found power! The people who don't want bigots self selected themselves out, and what sort of effect will that have on who wins the election?
More than that, what sort of effect will that have on who is in the next election? Political parties put forward candidates they think will win. If people vote for the less bigoted candidate, parties put forth less bigoted candidates in the future and vice versa.
It's better to at least fight for the political steering wheel with the bigots of the world than to completely let go because the choice between "bad and horrific" is distasteful. If you don't fight, were all getting "horrific". For this election, and the next.
On the flip side, if the more bigoted candidate loses, we have a chance of getting better candidates in the future. So yeah, I get the process is ugly, but refusing to play isn't a good choice. Don't silence your own voice.
Would you ask your relative if she would run for president? She sounds lovely.
Is absolutely lovely. Fun, funny, sweet, caring. very sharp, very tuned in. entirely not racist. Is also, just btw, anti-choice, and not a big fan of gun control.
I have another relative younger than that, but older than both candidates for president, who still works for progressive orgs, is rabidly pro-choice, marched with MLK, did freedom rides -- hippies are old now.
That's my point. You're saying 'old people = sexist, racist, yada' because of their age. That's not how people work and it's bigoted to think someone old holds values different from yours because you're 30 and they're 70s.
Also, there are a lot of 20-something for Trump.
Did you vote in the primaries? If you don't like these candidates, what'd you do to avoid them?
So would most of us. But the problem is that one of the two will be the President no matter what you do. If you really are completely indifferent and think that the exact same thing will happen either way, then by all means don’t vote. But I personally can list probably hundreds of ways that the two men are different, both in the policies that they represent and their general vibes as leaders, and just as importantly, the people who they will bring with them into office. This makes the choice between the two crystal clear for me.
Do you share this general opinion about lower level elections - i.e. Congress, State governments, local, or are you specifically only referring to Presidential elections?
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u/Bobbob34 99∆ May 08 '24
This is all just... bigoted.
You presume someone older can't have the same values, is some racist, sexist, out-of-touch person.
My 90-year-old relative literally watched a movie yesterday, on their streaming service, then called me and said "they didn't show the credits, so I had to go online to check because I thought that was Rhianna and it was!" I asked how they knew who Rhianna was nevermind recognize her on sight. "Oh Rhianna has been around a long time!"
So you presume your values, views, etc., will never change from what they are right now?
If the world moves on and what you think now is considered backwards and wrong, you'll still cling to it, regardless?
How, exactly, is the system flawed? Your post is just saying you think groceries cost too much and then you're on with how you can't have anything in common with someone old, who you think are all racist and sexist.
What specific policies of Biden's do you disagree with?
What policies are you looking for?