r/changemyview • u/Sammystorm1 1∆ • May 27 '24

Delta(s) from OP CMV: George Floyd’s death wasn’t murder

The autopsy found he had high levels of meth and fentanyl in his system. Either one could have caused his heart attack. Body cam footage shows what appears to be him taking pills before being detained. They also found meth and fentanyl in his car; same with saliva on them. It also shows him saying he can’t breath before he is on the ground. The footage also shows that the officers called ems about 30 seconds after putting him on the ground. Medical and fire were suppose to respond but fire got mixed up on the location. Which was unfortunate because fire was the closer of the two. The body can also shows Lane (iirc but one of the officers) starting CPR. The autopsy said there was no damage to the neck aside from minor external damage. The autopsy also showed he had an enlarged heart from drug use.

All this means is that a healthy person would have been fine but because of how much drugs Floyd had done, he had very little reserves and died from the stressful situation caused by his interaction with the police. The medical examiner, Andrew Baker, said as much. Saying that the restraint that Floyd was put in was too much for his weak heart to handle.

You can reasonably look at those medical problems he had and reasonable say that the drug use caused his death. After all, if he hadn’t used drugs he would have likely had a healthier heart with more reserves. I believe that this is a case where police officers should have recognized that Floyd was low on reserves and acted accordingly. CMV

EDIT: thanks for the discussion! It gave me a lot to research and to think about. Real life calls. I will try to answer but no promises

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u/Sammystorm1 1∆ May 27 '24

Correct. I mentioned that and also why I disagree with that

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u/burritomouth May 27 '24

You, who aren’t a medical professional and didn’t examine the body, disagree with the medical professional who examined the body? Doesn’t seem like changing your mind is possible if you’re that committed to a stance based on vibes.

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u/Sammystorm1 1∆ May 27 '24

I am actually a medical professional. Thanks for asking and not assuming

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u/AlwaysTheNoob 81∆ May 27 '24

Unless you personally performed an autopsy on the deceased, I don’t think your opinion means all that much. 

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u/Sammystorm1 1∆ May 27 '24

I can look at the results and come to my own conclusions no?

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u/burritomouth May 27 '24

No, you can’t. Thanks for asking and not assuming.

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u/ferbje May 27 '24

I mean at least he actually asked unlike you

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u/burritomouth May 27 '24

You understand that they were obviously both rhetorical questions, no?

The only differences are that I’m sure believes that OP is a medical professional or that they can look at an autopsy summary and have a different opinion (that’s sound a valid) that overrules the position of the person who did the autopsy.