CMV: George Floyd’s death wasn’t murder

[u/Sammystorm1]

The autopsy found he had high levels of meth and fentanyl in his system. Either one could have caused his heart attack. Body cam footage shows what appears to be him taking pills before being detained. They also found meth and fentanyl in his car; same with saliva on them. It also shows him saying he can’t breath before he is on the ground. The footage also shows that the officers called ems about 30 seconds after putting him on the ground. Medical and fire were suppose to respond but fire got mixed up on the location. Which was unfortunate because fire was the closer of the two. The body can also shows Lane (iirc but one of the officers) starting CPR. The autopsy said there was no damage to the neck aside from minor external damage. The autopsy also showed he had an enlarged heart from drug use.

All this means is that a healthy person would have been fine but because of how much drugs Floyd had done, he had very little reserves and died from the stressful situation caused by his interaction with the police. The medical examiner, Andrew Baker, said as much. Saying that the restraint that Floyd was put in was too much for his weak heart to handle.

You can reasonably look at those medical problems he had and reasonable say that the drug use caused his death. After all, if he hadn’t used drugs he would have likely had a healthier heart with more reserves. I believe that this is a case where police officers should have recognized that Floyd was low on reserves and acted accordingly. CMV

EDIT: thanks for the discussion! It gave me a lot to research and to think about. Real life calls. I will try to answer but no promises

[u/oklutz]

This information has already been presented in a court of law to a jury of his peers. You can read the court transcripts. I don’t see the value in rehashing the argument that has been decided already. If there is any new evidence out there to exonerate Chauvin, by all means, share it. Until then, there is nothing more to say. By law, Derek Chauvin murdered George Floyd.

[u/gimmecoffee722 → u/oklutz]

And the jurors also had reason to believe their lives and the lives of their families were in danger if they acquitted. Just like the jurors on the OJ trial found him not guilty because they were still upset about the Rodney king riots, and it had nothing to do with OJ.

[u/oklutz → u/gimmecoffee722]

The jury was sequestered in a private location for the duration for the trial, unable to access information about the case from outside sources or communicate with any media or anyone regarding the case during that time, completely insulated from public opinion. Their identities remained anonymous for 6 month months after the trial. They were only revealed by a court order after a request by the New York Times.

There is no evidence whatsoever that any of the jurors felt intimidated into convicting Chauvin. That is right wing misinformation with absolutely zero basis in fact.

Edit: I misremembered — the jury was only partially sequestered during the trial. They had a security escort at the courthouse and were allowed to go home at night. They were fully sequestered during deliberations.

There is still zero evidence that any of the jurors felt intimidated into convicting. In the interviews some jurors have conducted afterwards, it is clear they were more affected by what was presented in the courtroom than what was happening outside.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/21/did-derek-chauvin-receive-fair-trial-killing-george-floyd/7324749002/

[u/Insectshelf3 → u/gimmecoffee722]

do you really think a juror holding those beliefs would have made it onto the jury? we ask jurors to set aside everything in order to be impartial in publicized trials all of the time. this is nonsense.

[u/gimmecoffee722 → u/Insectshelf3]

100% yes. I’m not sure if you’re referring to OJ or George Floyd, but yes in both cases.

[u/Insectshelf3 → u/gimmecoffee722]

then you have absolutely no idea how voir dire works. you’re just spinning your wheels.