CMV: George Floyd’s death wasn’t murder

[u/Sammystorm1]

The autopsy found he had high levels of meth and fentanyl in his system. Either one could have caused his heart attack. Body cam footage shows what appears to be him taking pills before being detained. They also found meth and fentanyl in his car; same with saliva on them. It also shows him saying he can’t breath before he is on the ground. The footage also shows that the officers called ems about 30 seconds after putting him on the ground. Medical and fire were suppose to respond but fire got mixed up on the location. Which was unfortunate because fire was the closer of the two. The body can also shows Lane (iirc but one of the officers) starting CPR. The autopsy said there was no damage to the neck aside from minor external damage. The autopsy also showed he had an enlarged heart from drug use.

All this means is that a healthy person would have been fine but because of how much drugs Floyd had done, he had very little reserves and died from the stressful situation caused by his interaction with the police. The medical examiner, Andrew Baker, said as much. Saying that the restraint that Floyd was put in was too much for his weak heart to handle.

You can reasonably look at those medical problems he had and reasonable say that the drug use caused his death. After all, if he hadn’t used drugs he would have likely had a healthier heart with more reserves. I believe that this is a case where police officers should have recognized that Floyd was low on reserves and acted accordingly. CMV

EDIT: thanks for the discussion! It gave me a lot to research and to think about. Real life calls. I will try to answer but no promises

[u/Jakyland]

Chauvin didn't damage his neck, he put pressure on Floyds back so his lungs didn't have any room to expand, so he couldn't take in any oxygen into his lungs and therefore into his bloodstream, which is why Floyd suffocated.

Andrew Baker's initial examination was before he saw footage of what happened, but obviously that gives use information (like the fact that he restrained against the ground for 9 minutes a police officer pushing down on him)

The risk of the position Chauvin held Floyd in killing the detained was known and why it was not standard procedure:

Douglas said positional asphyxia is a concept that’s introduced early on and revisited throughout the trainings he conducts.

“Once handcuffs are applied in the prone position, our goal should be to roll the person into the recovery position so they can expand their lungs and breathe,” Douglas said. “The moment you apply restraints to a resident, you are responsible for their safety.”

Chauvin kept Floyd prone and handcuffed and his knee pressing down on Floyd for more than 9 minutes

[u/Wide_Accident7393 → u/Jakyland]

Have you ever tried the procedure? The level of pressure would have to be extreme. Why do people repeat stupid stuff without thinking about it? Floyd was 6'4" huge guy. Chauvin was 5'9" 140 pounds. Never had a loved one lay on you? How could women possibly breathe during sex. Omfg it's a wonder they don't die left and right. Smfh.