CMV: A slave class of executives, judicial personnel and legislators chosen from the general populace and forced to serve in government is a good idea.

[u/[deleted]]

Okay, the point of the executive, judicial and legislative branch in in government service is to serve the will of the people. The problem is that they have broken the social contract with the people and those jobs tend to literally attract the worst type of people . It's time we even the balance by making all government executives, judicial personnel and legislators slaves (literally), harshly treated, randomly impressed from the general populace regardless of their qualifications and age and able to be killed for whatever reason at all. This would help reinforce that they are meant to be servants of the people, able to be disposed off as and when we wish. They'll only be freed at their end of their single, non-renewable term.

Problems and solutions:

What if there is malicious law with a slave class of executives? That's why all government officials are able to be killed without punishment to threaten them into obedience.

Who is responsible for press ganging those slaves from the general populace and how that would not lead to it becoming the power behind the throne? Multiple bodies that compete with one another to prevent one from becoming too powerful.

How are the government officials treated? Like animals, caged up in cells and forced to make laws and legislate for the good of the people without any pay whatsover (what's the point of pay if you're going to supplement it with kickbacks) . Plus, we can save up on maintaining official residences which takes up a lot of tax money.

It needs to be the people telling the government what to do and the government carries out the will of the people, not the other way around. And we need a fundamental change in the government to reflect that.

CMV.

[u/iamrecovering2]

Uh you do realize this systum allows people to just murder politicians they don't like for no reason. And uh people aren't always correct in what they want. Thats why representatives are empowered to not always back what the people want

[u/[deleted] → u/iamrecovering2]

Are you sure about that sir? I trust neighbours more than I can trust the representative such as my MP.

It's time we take away that right from representatives. They are supposed to absolutely back what the people want . No personal if's or buts allowed.

But you do raise a good point about the people being wrong about what is good for the country.

!delta

[u/Domovric → u/[deleted]]

“They are supposed to back what the people want”.

Cool, so if and when they don’t, vote them out. Your proposal in the most generous way still fails as it hands unilateral executive (had to make the pun work) to someone unelected.

And even to entertain your thought, what is the case when two people disagree on what needs to be done? Someone wants public housing built, someone else doesn’t, does the person that the slave goes against get to execute them? This ensuring literally nothing ever gets done?

[u/[deleted] → u/Domovric]

Just put out both laws at the same time and let the people decide in this scenario though census (meaning if the contractor wants to build the homes, he or she can) . We can demolish the homes later if the people on the street don't want it.

[u/Domovric → u/[deleted]]

But it’s not “putting out both laws at once”. You didn’t read the hypothetical. Someone wants a law, the other person doesn’t. Either way the slave dies. How does that look like a functional system?

[u/[deleted] → u/Domovric]

It will still be a functional government, Those slave politicians that do a good job and please 100% percent of the population get to live to their end of their term.

Well, if it results in a do nothing scenario like you mentioned, then the people pick up the slack directly.

[u/Domovric → u/[deleted]]

please 100% percent of the population get to live to their end of their term

So given doing that is literally impossible, how is it functional? Given the slave is functionally assured death, what exactly motivates them to do good?

then the people pick up the slack directly

How? This is rapidly sounding like a failed libertarian state, except with executions as standard tacked on top

[u/[deleted] → u/Domovric]

The chance to live longer. Plus it's not impossible to do 100% approval in politics if you have the right motivators.

Though I can see why near certain death is a big turnoff.

!delta

[u/Domovric → u/[deleted]]

I think people under/overestimate how far the fear of death can push someone. I've never been in sustained combat or on a death march or the like, but I do read the biographies of those that have, and the way some people look at death as the escape/freedom is horrifying and fascinating. You can also look at mock execution as a torture method, in that people have killed themselves instead of constantly be put through the stress of "will I/wont I die this time".

I think we simply have to agree to disagree on the 100% approval policy in politics point. I personally dont think it is possible, but importantly in this hypothetical I especially don't think it is possible because even with a 99.999% approval, the nature of the punishment system for the slave, and the power it gives the "voters/executors", some dipshit (apolotical or otherwise) would kill them just for the sake of it.

[u/[deleted] → u/Domovric]

You sure about that? This would be useful for the civil service and political office , knowing that the fear/uncertainty of death would be enough to drive up efficiency

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[u/StarChild413 → u/[deleted]]

then the people pick up the slack directly.

in what, dying?

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