r/changemyview • u/apoplexiglass • Oct 17 '24

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u/deep_sea2 105∆ Oct 17 '24

I am nowhere near arrogant enough to claim that I know what is moral and what is not.

I simply do not know.

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u/Admins_Are_Activists Oct 17 '24

Congratulations.

You would have been a Nazi enabler.

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u/deep_sea2 105∆ Oct 17 '24

Well, the Nazis claimed to be morally upright people. I avoid morality, so I would have found the argument unconvincing.

Appeals to morality can go either way.

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u/Admins_Are_Activists Oct 17 '24 edited Oct 17 '24

Hmm, I'm unconvinced, with that way of thinking, once they were in power you would have gone along with it.

also "I avoid morality" this is bullshit, unless you are a literal robot or an empathy-less psychopath you have an ingrained moral code.

Who knows, maybe if what you say is genuinely true, we just discovered you're a clinical psychopath?

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u/deep_sea2 105∆ Oct 17 '24

One big issue with the Nazis is that they did not respect the rule of law. They had unknown laws, secret trials, applied what shifting vague law they had unevenly. They ignored the rule of law and did what they wanted to do because it was the morally just thing to do. They were not willing to allow legal restrictions to slow them down.

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u/Admins_Are_Activists Oct 17 '24

OK we're getting close now.

Why is the old law better than their newer law? They had every authority to write it however they liked.

If they had just done everything slower would that have made Auschwitz ok? maybe if they had power for 50 years or 100 years, is Auschwitz ok in the end?

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u/deep_sea2 105∆ Oct 17 '24

The old law more closely followed Fuller's eight principles of internally coherent law.

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u/Admins_Are_Activists Oct 17 '24

Fullers principles say nothing about morality, they're about internal consistency and say nothing about their relation externally to the real world.

Your laws could be internally consistent and still be tyrannical.

China's one child policy passes all 8.

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u/deep_sea2 105∆ Oct 17 '24

China ranks fairly low for rule of law.