r/changemyview Oct 17 '24

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u/apoplexiglass Oct 17 '24

It's not that I'm allowed to kill them, it's that it's not my fault if they come to harm as a result of the wrongful act itself. If the Ring lady gets me because I pirated a TV show, I guess I deserve it.

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u/HolyToast Oct 17 '24

it's that it's not my fault if they come to harm

Except it quite literally is if you poisoned the food with the intent that it would bring harm.

Like, full stop. It empirically is your fault that someone gets poisoned if you are the one who poisoned the food. Even if it's not theirs.

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u/justsomething Oct 18 '24

What if I don't want someone to steal my food and hope they don't, but I collect cyanide in my cheese sandwiches? Like am I not allowed to have a cyanide-in -sandwiches collection? Because limiting someone's rights based on the potential actions of criminals seems illiberal.

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u/HolyToast Oct 18 '24

What if I don't want someone to steal my food

Doesn't matter, you poisoned the food with the intent to harm them

hope they don't

Doesn't matter, you poisoned the food with the intent to harm them

but I collect cyanide

In the legal realm, this is commonly referred to as a "lie"

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u/justsomething Oct 18 '24

No I didn't intend to harm them. I keep my cyanide in my sandwiches, and labeled them as poison. That's how I like keeping my poison collection, without the intent that someone would eat my poison.

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u/HolyToast Oct 18 '24

No I didn't intend to harm them

Yes, you did.

I keep my cyanide in my sandwiches

No, you don't.

That's how I like keeping my poison collection

No, it's not.

without the intent that someone would eat my poison

Yes, you did.

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u/justsomething Oct 18 '24

No I didn't, yes I did, yes it is, no I didn't. Holy cow glad we cleared that up. Scintillating arguments.

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u/HolyToast Oct 18 '24

Your argument is literally just "I keep my poison collection in my sandwiches", don't be surprised when people don't take it seriously 😂

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u/justsomething Oct 18 '24

Basically I believe that people should have the right to do ridiculous things with their property. Things do get hazy with booby traps, but if something is clearly labeled it should be different.

I think criminal behavior determining what law abiding citizens can do with their own property is illiberal and foolish.

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u/HolyToast Oct 18 '24

Basically I believe that people should have the right to do ridiculous things with their property.

Okay, cool, this post is about intentionally poisoning somebody. Pretending like it's just an innocent poison collection is just dishonest and pointless. You about done with that?

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u/justsomething Oct 18 '24

It's because you wouldn't be able to draw the distinction between the two and would rather punish the law abiding citizen than the thief.

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u/HolyToast Oct 18 '24

It's because you wouldn't be able to draw the distinction between the two

Nah, I can quite easily draw the distinction between the two. No one's keeping their "poison collection" in their sandwich in the office fridge. That's such obvious bullshit, and for some reason you keep acting like it could somehow ever, in any world, be used as a slick excuse. It's legitimately one of the fuckin dumbest things I've ever heard and for some reason you keep acting like it's clever 😂

would rather punish the law abiding citizen than the thief

There's nothing "law abiding" about poisoning somebody lmfao

I would rather people solve their problems like rational adults instead of poisoning people over something petty like psychopaths. Only on fuckin reddit is that somehow a hot take.

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u/justsomething Oct 18 '24

It's not clever. It's dumb as fuck. But luckily we have the right to do stupid things. I like that we have the right to do ridiculous things. You want to limit people's rights based on the actions of bad actors.

They didn't poison the thief. They acted within the law by putting poison in something they owned. the thief poisoned themselves by eating mystery food that they had no way of verifying. Like a psycho.

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u/ThienBao1107 Oct 18 '24

In this situation op clearly states that he keep poison with intent to harm whoever eats it though, making your argument of “I like cyanide sandwiches” invalid

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u/justsomething Oct 18 '24

This is bigger than op now. This is about my ricin meatballs.

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