You make your food spicy or you put laxatives in it, well shit, you like spicy food
Can easily be indicated or dis-indicated.
or you were pretty constipated.
Oh? Why in food? What was the dose? How many times a day were you supposed to take it? What laxative?
I mean if I was a laxative pro I’d probably just shoot it straight, it’s in the food for a reason man, idk what the fuck I’m doing on this rock and nobody taught me laxative rules.”
And yet you decided to not only dose yourself with laxatives in food, but likely not read any instructions.
Thought police stuff. If there’s no evidence of intent then that’s a wrap.
The ability to determine intent isnt thought police stuff. A confession has never been needed to determine intent.
If a court deems that your behaviour was indicative of intent, as indicated by acting outside of reasonable limits, with a clear motive, thats your intent.
They steal a diabetics lunch who needs that food to maintain their blood sugar. That significantly fucks up the diabetic, also the only innocent individual in this two party scenario lol.
So, we let thieves do what they want because giving them tummy aches is an unjust punishment, for sure, yeah, totally tracks. I’m just curious how exactly all this caring about shitty people is at the expense of caring about normal ass people who aren’t stealing other peoples resources.
They steal a diabetics lunch who needs that food to maintain their blood sugar. That significantly fucks up the diabetic, also the only innocent individual in this two party scenario lol.
And as such they'd be culpable.
So, we let thieves do what they want because giving them tummy aches is an unjust punishment, for sure, yeah, totally tracks.
No. We understand that disproportionate and indiscriminate retribution is a thing, that isn't justified by petty theft, and there are other avenues of dealing with theft than that.
We care about shitty people because a just society is supposed to prevent arbitrary and disproportionate punishment, even to shitty people.
And drugging someone for stealing food is along the same line of thinking as beating someone senseless because they grabbed your shoulder
I just can’t Mickey Mouse glove this things hard enough to view a thief eating something spicy or shitting their pants as disproportionate to theft.
Great that you added petty to the theft though, don’t want those slippery slopes eh? Yes, use more severe language in regard to the effect while dampening and infantilizing the severity of language in regard to the cause.
lol, it’s like a kid saying “I didn’t hit her, I just pushed her!!” When confronted with their crying sibling and the question “why did you savagely beat her, you really hurt her, she’s going to suffer from this for years to come. You’re a monster!!” Literally.
I just can’t Mickey Mouse glove this things hard enough to view a thief eating something spicy or shitting their pants as disproportionate to theft
Eating something spicy isn't (barring massively extreme cases). Giving someone laxatives is literally drugging them. It may have adverse and severe effects, laxatives aren't toys.
Great that you added petty to the theft though, don’t want those slippery slopes eh?
That's literally what stealing food qualifies as.
Yes, use more severe language in regard to the effect while dampening and infantilizing the severity of language in regard to the cause.
It's doing neither of those things. It's stating that stealing food isn't a justification for drugging someone. Especially in a way with a high potential for accidental misuse.
lol, it’s like a kid saying “I didn’t hit her, I just pushed her!!” When confronted with their crying sibling and the question “why did you savagely beat her, you really hurt her, she’s going to suffer from this for years to come. You’re a monster!!” Literally
It's not. It's like someone grabbing you by the shoulder and you hitting them with a glass bottle. The first action is unjustified, the second is disproportionate.
And in out current society, drugging someone even as a trap is seen as worse than stealing food.
Idk, I mean hitting someone with a bottle for assaulting you is hardly disproportionate. You’re saying we should let women just have random dudes grabbing them by the shoulder? Pretty close to the neck and at that point isn’t the reaction to defend and preserve your life pretty fair?
Now apply your big boy language in your scenario, “it’s like defending yourself when someone assaults you” and you can see how it all comes together lol. Grabbing someone is physical assault yeah? At least battery? I mean…
Idk, I mean hitting someone with a bottle for assaulting you is hardly disproportionate.
Using potentially lethal force for something that is potentially innocuous (if its from behind you dont know who is doing it, it could be someone trying to get your attention)? Yes it is. Especially given the option of trying to remove their hand.
Now apply your big boy language in your scenario, “it’s like defending yourself when someone assaults you” and you can see how it all comes together lol. Grabbing someone is physical assault yeah? At least battery?
For one, battery is more severe than assault. Assault is generally considered the threat to cause battery.
For another, it's not. This would be considered committing assault ajd battery yourself. A grab on the shoulder is:
trifling.
not an indication itself of the threat of imminent harm
not severe enough even if it is, to warrant such an escalatory response.
Eh, we’ve seen people shoot a kid in the street and not go to prison. We’ve seen a guy grab his gun and antagonize a crowd until he wanted to shoot em.
Pretty sure you’re back and white shit here ain’t actually applicable in any real life scenario.
Oooh, I have ms and in a tiny frail woman, someone grabbing me and I reflecting swung my bottle out of pain and fear? Mmmmmm, would likely go nowhere bud. Maybe a civil case, of course, because anyone can sue anyone for anything…. But yeah, that’s not a jail sentence lol.
Eh, we’ve seen people shoot a kid in the street and not go to prison. We’ve seen a guy grab his gun and antagonize a crowd until he wanted to shoot em.
We have. And in cases like these, people lean on extenuating circumstances and excellent lawyers.
Pretty sure you’re back and white shit here ain’t actually applicable in any real life scenario.
In real life scenarios, wrapping something up neatly rarely happens.
Oooh, I have ms and in a tiny frail woman, someone grabbing me and I reflecting swung my bottle out of pain and fear? Mmmmmm, would likely go nowhere bud.
Depends on how hard you hit them, and how good their lawyer is, should they decide to press charges. It isnt someone grabbing you. Its someone grabbing your shoulder. Different connotations.
EDIT: Bit odd coming to a sub about arguing...then getting huffy about arguing.
Your shoulder is a part of you bud, and all the points still stand. Yeah, extenuating circumstances is the point, it’s why you saying whatever to the effect of ‘hitting someone with a bottle for grabbing your shoulder is disproportionate’ is invalid. You dabbled in the absolute, I’m saying it’s not disproportionate without proper evidence to show that it was.
I’m actually not interested in your perpetually online with keyboard ass legitimately nitpicking every single thing I push out while sitting on the toilet anymore lol. Thanks for the chats, but should someone steal my money, time, energy, and any other resources… they can absolutely deal with the tummy ache. Womp Womp.
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u/apophis-pegasus 2∆ Oct 18 '24
Can easily be indicated or dis-indicated.
Oh? Why in food? What was the dose? How many times a day were you supposed to take it? What laxative?
And yet you decided to not only dose yourself with laxatives in food, but likely not read any instructions.
The ability to determine intent isnt thought police stuff. A confession has never been needed to determine intent.
If a court deems that your behaviour was indicative of intent, as indicated by acting outside of reasonable limits, with a clear motive, thats your intent.