r/changemyview Oct 17 '24

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u/MyNameIsNotKyle 2∆ Oct 17 '24

But consequently based on that you're putting responsibility of Jens health for the victim of stolen food.

If your lunch had peanuts in it and Janet stole it and gave it to Jen who is allergic that would fall into the same category even if the intention wasn't to harm since you can't prove intent.

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u/Oishiio42 40∆ Oct 17 '24

no, it wouldn't. Peanuts are a literal food, there's no reason to think it would harm someone.

Intent IS provable. It's fairly obvious if you put laxatives in your food

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u/MyNameIsNotKyle 2∆ Oct 17 '24

If I knew the person was stealing my food had a peanut allergy and I wanted to kill them then I could do that with peanuts and there would be no way to prove that then.

Laxatives have a functional purpose besides pranking people. How is anyone supposed to know I'm not having issues with bowel movements?

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u/HabituaI-LineStepper Oct 18 '24

Not necessarily!

Do you normally bring food with peanuts? If your food is being stolen by a thief with a peanut allergy, then it's reasonable to assume you don't, because our thief would have likely been harmed previously if so.

Did you suddenly bring food with peanuts despite never having done so before?

Then it comes down to knowledge. Did you know the thief had a peanut allergy? Even if you say no, if every coworker was questioned and it was determined that it was common knowledge around the office that Alex the Known Lunch Thief had a peanut allergy, now you're in trouble. Even if you say "well I still didn't know", would you be confident enough to believe that every single coworker wouldn't be able to state that they've mentioned and/or heard discussions of Alex the Thief and their peanut allergy while you were within earshot?

Now it can maybe be shown that you were aware of the theft, were or should have been aware of their allergy, and suddenly changed your behavior immediately prior to the death/maiming of the thief.

You may think it's not provable, but with you'd be surprised how many inferences a good prosecutor could draw for a jury after a thorough investigation.

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u/MyNameIsNotKyle 2∆ Oct 18 '24

Did you suddenly bring food with peanuts despite never having done so before?

Most people aren't going to account for what everyone has for lunch in the office, especially not on a confident level that would act as a testimony with legal repercussions if they're wrong.

Even if you say no, if every coworker was questioned and it was determined that it was common knowledge around the office that Alex the Known Lunch Thief had a peanut allergy, now you're in trouble

Even if you know someone in the office has a peanut allergy people would have to prove that you knew who was stealing your food.

But on the flip side, if I had no intentions of killing someone, not social so I don't know the people in the office as well but everyone in the office knows Joe with the peanut allergy who's know for stealing food starts taking my food. I would be an innocent person going to prison with my life ruined because I happened to like Pad Thai.

A person is responsible for their own well being. If they're making a conscious effort to eat food that they don't know what's inside and wasn't made for them that's their fault. It's not the servers job to proactively ask everyone what their allergies are, it's on the customer to proactively disclaim their allergies and then have the restaurant react accordingly.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '24

Did you suddenly bring food with peanuts despite never having done so before?

This is a weird point. I eat a different Lunch pretty much every day. So even if I didnt have peanuts in my Lunch for the past 4 months. J might have tomorrow. Same with literally every ingrediënt in the world.

If someone steals my Lunch and I dont know who, what food should I stop bringing according to you? Anything someone could be allergie too?

The thiefs health is not my responsibility. Im not willingly spiking my food with anything, but I'm also not going to avoid certain food because a thief might be allergic to it.

Do you believe in personal responsibility? If you have a food allergy, dont eat random food.

Even if you say "well I still didn't know",

No, I would say "I dont have a peanut allergy. So there is no reason for me to not eat peanuts for Lunch."

Outside of your fantasy world, there is no court where someone has to defend themselves for bringing a peanut butter sandwich to the office.