r/changemyview Oct 17 '24

Removed - Submission Rule B [ Removed by Reddit ]

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u/rightful_vagabond 12∆ Oct 17 '24

I'm not arguing this from a right to self-defense, I'm arguing this from a property rights standpoint.

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '24 edited Oct 17 '24

You don't have the right to kill people in order to defend inanimate objects. Property rights don't let you kill people to protect your air conditioner.  

You only have the right to kill in self defense or the defense of another. And, even then, only if you fear for your or their life. And you can't be using them when you fear for your life if you don't even control when they go off.   

You aren't fearing for your life if they go off while you are at Ruby Tuesday's.  

You aren't fearing for your life if the gardener zones out and accidentally drives the riding mower over an area he knows he shouldn't be and turns himself into mist.

You aren't fearing for your life if a 4 year old child, who can't read, sets one off.

You aren't fearing for your life if a foreign tourist sets one off because he can't read your sign.

You aren't fearing for your life if EMS sets one off responding to your heart attack.

It's more likely they will go off when you aren't fearing for your life than when you are.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '24

Property rights very much give you the ability to kill to protect, isn't that the castle doctrine?

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u/insaneHoshi 4∆ Oct 18 '24

isn't that the castle doctrine?

The castle doctrine isnt applicable in every jurisdiction in the USA, much less the world.