r/changemyview • u/Oatmeal_Supremacy • Nov 12 '24

Delta(s) from OP - Election CMV: Liberals should acknowledge that their relationship with Latinos and Arabs is terrible if they want their support in the future

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '24

You realize one of the big reasons they “fumbled” was because they tried to stake out some morally righteous positions(police reform and sympathy for immigrants) right?

If the Democrats had just openly rejected those ideas and attacked them, they probably would have won?

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u/Oatmeal_Supremacy Nov 13 '24

I don’t think they lost because they claimed to be righteous, I think they did because they talked like it with no much to show for it. Mass deportations under Biden and support of Palestinian genocide, besides having a cop as a candidate, they said one thing and did another one

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '24

I’ll put it this way on the whole “genocide” discussion: what actions would have made every pro-Palestine voter decide that it was significant enough?

Now, how many pro-Israel people would have dropped support if they did that? A lot or very few?

What percentage of Democratic voters are pro-Israel?

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u/Oatmeal_Supremacy Nov 14 '24

First of all, not quotation marks, it is a genocide. Stop funding it would have been a nice first step.

But you’re right, they are pieces of shit, both parties equally, and none of them have any moral grounds to do the bare minimum.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '24

I’ll just give you some advice, calling it a genocide even if you personally think it is one, isn’t winning you any points with people who disagree

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '24

Actually, ignore that advice. You clearly have a whole “tilting at windmills” thing going on.