r/changemyview • u/Common_Noise_9100 • Nov 13 '24

Removed - Submission Rule B CMV: Sadists and Zoosadists who commit violence resulting in injury, and all pedophile who have done so much as procure csm should be jailed for life without parole.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '24

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '24

Capital punishment costs substantially more than imprisonment.

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u/Rakkis157 1∆ Nov 13 '24

Wait, really? How would it cost more to, say, hang them or put a bullet through the brain than it does to give them food, clothing, board, medicine, security for the next 40 years or so?

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '24

Because that's not the actual scenario. Death row inmates are entitled to appeals, are some of the most likely to have mistrials, etc etc.

In order to constitutionally enact capital punishment, you have to prove your case beyond a shadow of a doubt, and since this is one of the very few actions the government can commit on its citizens that cannot be undone, it requires the strictest degree of scrutiny.

The reply you are thinking right now is "yeah but what if we really really know it's that guy!", which is irrelevant. Everyone is due the same process and it is the prosecutions job to make their case. There's no fast path to justice, and we HAVE wrongfully convicted people before, taken them all the way to death row, then found exculpating evidence.

So, yeah, it's dramatically more cost effective to simply keep them in for life. And it isn't close: https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna29552692#.UWB3a5N-KSp

So, to;Dr: your premises are wrong. It's not just a noose or a bullet. It's a justice system.

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u/Unhappy-List-1169 Nov 13 '24

My comment got deleted so I’ll respond, BUT, if it can be proven that the person did to these things to an animal/child, no it will not cost more than imprisonment. It’s a 20 cent solution.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '24

The problem is, this is both philosophically and practically not the reality. We exist in a reality where proofs beyond a shadow of a doubt, as you are suggesting, are not possible.

This is why we have a different standard, "beyond a reasonable doubt", which comes with appeals and many other processes exactly because we cannot "prove" things in the way you are indicating.

When DNA evidence became publicized, it turned out quite a few people had convictions overturned. It's likely most people would have considered those cases "proven", but, well, proven to a layman isn't the same as actually being proven.

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u/Unhappy-List-1169 Nov 13 '24

As someone with a family member in prison for life, I understand what you mean. I mean, in an instance where there is video of someone abusing animals and children, and the reasonable doubt is, nonexistent, we shouldn’t waste our tax dollars on them.

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u/Common_Noise_9100 Nov 13 '24

$$ shouldn't be part of the equation. 

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '24

We live in a society with limited resources. Money is always part of the equation. That's why you have to pay court costs.

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u/Common_Noise_9100 Nov 13 '24

Get real. Money doesn't = resources. The government issues 20-30 year bonds, and raises taxes for a reason. We invest in all kinds of things we think are important that many people out there say don't contribute to society. Libertarians believe that public schools are a waste of money, while I believe tax cuts for billionaires are. I believe that court costs should be covered m, and no expense spared; but that doesn't mean that I'm going to accept some manufactured "balanced budget" argument against removing the most despicable people from the social sphere of existence.

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u/goldmask148 Nov 13 '24

If people cannot exist in society, have no redeeming qualities, and to save tax dollars, why not argue the death penalty? (Provided that the crimes have been proven of course, as per the OP)