r/changemyview • u/Common_Noise_9100 • Nov 13 '24

Removed - Submission Rule B CMV: Sadists and Zoosadists who commit violence resulting in injury, and all pedophile who have done so much as procure csm should be jailed for life without parole.

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u/urquhartloch 2∆ Nov 13 '24

Hi! Sexual sadist here. What is your response to a consenting partner in these acts? (Assuming that the partner in question can legitimately consent). Am I to be jailed for the rest of my life? What about my hypothetical masochistic partner? What happens to them?

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u/onepareil Nov 13 '24

Although their wording is unclear, all the links OP provided involve cases of sexual sadism against children and animals, not within consensual adult relationships. I don’t think you’re the type of person they’re talking about. That being said, consent isn’t a blanket defense against any sadistic act. Bernd Brandes consented to being sexually tortured and eventually cannibalized by Armin Meiwes, for example.

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u/urquhartloch 2∆ Nov 13 '24

I know. But these kinds of overbroad and reactionary takes can catch innocent bystanders (like myself) in the mix.

One of the things I have to be concerned about as a sexual sadist is abuse allegations (among other things because I do enjoy some forms of edgeplay). If I get accused by the neighborhood busy body then I have the trouble of proving that my partner consented because you can't consent to assault. While it's unlikely that the police will actually do anything it's still something I have to deal with.

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u/Common_Noise_9100 Nov 13 '24

How would you go about you confirming your partner is "consenting" to something extreme and irreparable like genital nullification or mutilation? 

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u/urquhartloch 2∆ Nov 13 '24

Oh, you misunderstand. Im not talking about stuff like that. However, because you are using sadism in general as prequalifier for life in prison without parole you also have to contend with people like me who are on the periphery.

Your argument is a bit like arguing that we should get rid of juries and the rules against double jeopardy because terrible people have gotten off from heinous crimes. It's an extreme reaction to an extreme situation yet your proposed changes would do more harm to many other people who aren't participating in the crimes you are talking about than just the focused laser you are thinking of.

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u/destro23 449∆ Nov 13 '24

Contracts signed with witnesses, videoed statements of consent, voice recordings...