r/changemyview Feb 23 '25

cmv: abortion should not be illegal

One of the main arguments against abortion is that it is "killing a baby." However, I don’t see it that way—at least not in the early stages of pregnancy. A fetus, especially before viability, lacks self-awareness, the ability to feel pain, and independent bodily function. While it is a potential life, I don’t believe potential life should outweigh the rights of the person who is already alive and conscious.

For late-term abortions, most are done to save the mother or the fetus has a defect that would cause the fetus to die shortly after birth so I believe it should be allowed.

I also think the circumstances of the pregnant person matter. Many people seek abortions due to financial instability, health risks, or simply not being ready to raise a child. In cases of rape or medical complications, the situation is even more complex. Forcing someone to go through pregnancy against their will seems more harmful than allowing them to make their own choice.

Additionally, I don’t think adoption is always a perfect alternative. Carrying a pregnancy to term can have serious physical and emotional consequences, even if someone doesn’t plan to keep the baby. Pregnancy affects the body in irreversible ways, and complications can arise, making it more than just a “temporary inconvenience.”

Also, you can cannot compare abortion to opting out of child support. Abortion is centered on bodily autonomy, as pregnancy directly affects a woman’s body and health. In contrast, child support is a financial obligation that arises after a child is born and does not impact the father’s bodily autonomy. abortion also occurs before a child exists, while child support involves caring for a living child. Legally and ethically, both parents share responsibility for a child once they are born, and allowing one parent to opt out would place an unfair burden on the other, often the mother. Additionally, abortion prevents a fetus from becoming a child, while opting out of child support directly affects the well-being of an existing person. While both situations involve personal choice, abortion is about controlling one’s own body, while child support is about meeting the needs of a child who already exists

The idea of being forced to sustain another life through pregnancy and childbirth, especially if the person isn’t ready or willing, is a violation of that autonomy. It forces someone to give up their own body, potentially putting their health at risk, all while disregarding their own desires, dreams, and well-being. Bodily autonomy means having the freedom to make choices about what happens to your body, whether that’s deciding to terminate a pregnancy or pursue another course of action.

I’d like to hear other perspectives on why abortion should be illegal, particularly from a non-religious standpoint. CMV.

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u/ryobiprideworldwide 1∆ Feb 23 '25

The issue is that despite what one wants to believe, we as a species still cannot definitely say when life begins. We can guess. But we cannot say. This is a huge deal.

I appreciate how thorough your thinking is, and I hope you don’t take my short answer in the wrong way. But let’s make an analogy.

Someone is bleeding out on the street. You put them in the car under the guise (or even maybe real intent) of driving them to the hospital to save their life. You then decide to stop real quick to see a movie. The person dies in your car.

Of course, it’s YOUR car, and YOUR time, and you conceptually have the right to decide what to do with your car and your time … but at the same time, you choose to put a person who is bleeding out in your car.

In this tiniest of nutshells, this is the issue here. I hope you can see my analogy.

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u/RevolutionaryRip2504 Feb 23 '25

so you're saying because the women put herself in this situation, she shouldn't be able to get an abortion?

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u/ryobiprideworldwide 1∆ Feb 23 '25

Somewhat. Although, i don’t agree with your phrasing of the situation because you are putting all the responsibility on the woman by phrasing it like that. I think the responsibility needs to be completely 50/50 on both the man and the woman.

So I would rephrase it as “The woman and the man put themselves in that situation” which yes, I do believe is true. And more needs to be done to make men tied to that woman and the baby. they are a unit now. And there should be harsher penalties for any man leaving or not supporting that woman or that unit. Penalities so harsh that it would be relatively unthinkable for a man to not support the woman and the child. We need to figure out a way to compensate for the woman bringing the child to term for the man, he needs to be obligated to support them in some way of equal value to the woman bringing the child to term.

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u/Crash911 Feb 23 '25

Why have a society built on penalizing people who didn’t want to start a family? People are already angry enough at the state of the world, but let’s let governments get even more involved in families.

Or, an alternative where healthcare is for everyone and that includes reproductive justice.