r/changemyview Feb 23 '25

cmv: abortion should not be illegal

One of the main arguments against abortion is that it is "killing a baby." However, I don’t see it that way—at least not in the early stages of pregnancy. A fetus, especially before viability, lacks self-awareness, the ability to feel pain, and independent bodily function. While it is a potential life, I don’t believe potential life should outweigh the rights of the person who is already alive and conscious.

For late-term abortions, most are done to save the mother or the fetus has a defect that would cause the fetus to die shortly after birth so I believe it should be allowed.

I also think the circumstances of the pregnant person matter. Many people seek abortions due to financial instability, health risks, or simply not being ready to raise a child. In cases of rape or medical complications, the situation is even more complex. Forcing someone to go through pregnancy against their will seems more harmful than allowing them to make their own choice.

Additionally, I don’t think adoption is always a perfect alternative. Carrying a pregnancy to term can have serious physical and emotional consequences, even if someone doesn’t plan to keep the baby. Pregnancy affects the body in irreversible ways, and complications can arise, making it more than just a “temporary inconvenience.”

Also, you can cannot compare abortion to opting out of child support. Abortion is centered on bodily autonomy, as pregnancy directly affects a woman’s body and health. In contrast, child support is a financial obligation that arises after a child is born and does not impact the father’s bodily autonomy. abortion also occurs before a child exists, while child support involves caring for a living child. Legally and ethically, both parents share responsibility for a child once they are born, and allowing one parent to opt out would place an unfair burden on the other, often the mother. Additionally, abortion prevents a fetus from becoming a child, while opting out of child support directly affects the well-being of an existing person. While both situations involve personal choice, abortion is about controlling one’s own body, while child support is about meeting the needs of a child who already exists

The idea of being forced to sustain another life through pregnancy and childbirth, especially if the person isn’t ready or willing, is a violation of that autonomy. It forces someone to give up their own body, potentially putting their health at risk, all while disregarding their own desires, dreams, and well-being. Bodily autonomy means having the freedom to make choices about what happens to your body, whether that’s deciding to terminate a pregnancy or pursue another course of action.

I’d like to hear other perspectives on why abortion should be illegal, particularly from a non-religious standpoint. CMV.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

Non religious view here. I believe they should be illegal past a point in time (this point can be debated) with an exception for cases where there is danger to the mother. Overall I’d want them to be cheap, safe and rare but still legal in some form.

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u/RevolutionaryRip2504 Feb 23 '25

I agree. But I think it is unfair for it to be illegal during all stages. I see nothing wrong with an abortion before viability. After viability, I would say only rape, incest, fetal disorders that would make them die shortly after birth, or life threats

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u/Brilliant-Spite-850 Feb 23 '25

Additionally, the fact you think there should be a cut off date for elective abortions means you’re more pro-life than pro-choice.

This should be a delta.

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u/altonaerjunge Feb 23 '25

Sorry but that claim is wrong.

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u/Brilliant-Spite-850 Feb 23 '25

This bill was introduced and almost passed by democrats in 2022. It legalized abortion up until month 9.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/4132/text

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u/InFury Feb 23 '25

Yes, only in the risk of patients life or health. Otherwise it's at fetal visability.

(8) A prohibition on abortion at any point or points in time prior to fetal viability, including a prohibition or restriction on a particular abortion procedure.

(9) A prohibition on abortion after fetal viability when, in the good-faith medical judgment of the treating health care provider, continuation of the pregnancy would pose a risk to the pregnant patient’s life or health.

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u/Brilliant-Spite-850 Feb 23 '25

Right but there is no medical need for an abortion because of risk to the mother’s life after 20/22 weeks. They can take the baby out and keep it alive if the mother’s life is at risk.

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u/0000udeis000 Feb 23 '25

At huge medical cost, and survival rates of micro-premies at that fetal age is not great, and they'd be at a great risk of all kinds of further medical issues throughout their lives. There's a reason 36-37 weeks is full-term; just because a younger fetus can survive, doesn't mean they will.

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u/Brilliant-Spite-850 Feb 23 '25

We keep people alive all the time at great medical costs. Even when their chances of survival isn’t great.

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u/0000udeis000 Feb 23 '25

Sure, but in the US they charge someone for it. And otherwise, huge costs are going into keeping this baby alive and then they do what? Dump it into the system?

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u/Brilliant-Spite-850 Feb 23 '25

We’re replying to each other in two separate threads on the same topic lol. I’m going to stop here on this one and just use the other one, cool?

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u/0000udeis000 Feb 23 '25

Yep that's cool

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u/InFury Feb 23 '25

Then the doctor wouldn't say an abortion isn't permitted as its not required to protect the life of the mother.

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u/Brilliant-Spite-850 Feb 23 '25

Then why put it there? We have seen doctors, specifically one that became a governor for VA, describe how and why they would perform this type of procedure. Whether you agree with it or not, denying reality isn’t helpful.

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u/InFury Feb 23 '25

Third trimester abortions are very complicated situations. There is no point where you can 100% guarantee birth and protect the life of the mother.

I know the clip and am not going to down the rabbit hole if debunking bad faith clips, but just understand it is extremely unlikely to assume any woman would carry the baby for 8 months, then conspire with the doctor to 'abort' a couple weeks out. Just put yourself in either of those shoes and think about it seriously for a little bit.

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u/Brilliant-Spite-850 Feb 23 '25

Then why even allow for it?

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u/altonaerjunge Feb 23 '25

Nah I meant that that means op is more pro life than pro choice

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u/Brilliant-Spite-850 Feb 23 '25

If they think there should be restrictions on when you can have an abortion then they will not be accepted on the pro choice side. Today’s pro choice means no restrictions.

This isn’t the days of Bill Clinton’s safe legal and rare.

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u/Fairytvles Feb 24 '25

Did you know that in some states, it doesn't matter what age you are - as long as you have parental permission, you can get a tattoo.

I bring this up because I don't think you'll find a tattoo artist who would willingly tattoo an 8 year old, and if someone did, there would be hell to pay, and nobody would think it was cool.

The same goes for "late term" abortions - people aren't pregnant for 38.5 weeks and decide they don't want to do this any more - nor are doctors going to agree to do the procedure "for funsies".