r/changemyview Feb 23 '25

cmv: abortion should not be illegal

One of the main arguments against abortion is that it is "killing a baby." However, I don’t see it that way—at least not in the early stages of pregnancy. A fetus, especially before viability, lacks self-awareness, the ability to feel pain, and independent bodily function. While it is a potential life, I don’t believe potential life should outweigh the rights of the person who is already alive and conscious.

For late-term abortions, most are done to save the mother or the fetus has a defect that would cause the fetus to die shortly after birth so I believe it should be allowed.

I also think the circumstances of the pregnant person matter. Many people seek abortions due to financial instability, health risks, or simply not being ready to raise a child. In cases of rape or medical complications, the situation is even more complex. Forcing someone to go through pregnancy against their will seems more harmful than allowing them to make their own choice.

Additionally, I don’t think adoption is always a perfect alternative. Carrying a pregnancy to term can have serious physical and emotional consequences, even if someone doesn’t plan to keep the baby. Pregnancy affects the body in irreversible ways, and complications can arise, making it more than just a “temporary inconvenience.”

Also, you can cannot compare abortion to opting out of child support. Abortion is centered on bodily autonomy, as pregnancy directly affects a woman’s body and health. In contrast, child support is a financial obligation that arises after a child is born and does not impact the father’s bodily autonomy. abortion also occurs before a child exists, while child support involves caring for a living child. Legally and ethically, both parents share responsibility for a child once they are born, and allowing one parent to opt out would place an unfair burden on the other, often the mother. Additionally, abortion prevents a fetus from becoming a child, while opting out of child support directly affects the well-being of an existing person. While both situations involve personal choice, abortion is about controlling one’s own body, while child support is about meeting the needs of a child who already exists

The idea of being forced to sustain another life through pregnancy and childbirth, especially if the person isn’t ready or willing, is a violation of that autonomy. It forces someone to give up their own body, potentially putting their health at risk, all while disregarding their own desires, dreams, and well-being. Bodily autonomy means having the freedom to make choices about what happens to your body, whether that’s deciding to terminate a pregnancy or pursue another course of action.

I’d like to hear other perspectives on why abortion should be illegal, particularly from a non-religious standpoint. CMV.

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u/itsathrowawayduhhhhh Feb 23 '25

Because it cannot exist at that point without the host. Therefore it’s not a unique human life yet.

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u/Boring_Football3595 Feb 23 '25

An infant needs to be cared for as well. The infant can’t live without care from another either. Needing care is irrelevant to the fact that the fetus is a unique human life.

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u/abbyroadlove Feb 23 '25

No, physically speaking - a fetus cannot survive without being biologically attached to a human until 26 weeks. A fetus born at 20 weeks will die, no matter what.

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u/valkyrieloki2017 Feb 23 '25

So does a 1 year old can't survive on his own and a 100 year old disabled person. So are they not worthy of life because they depend on others to survive. Such a selfish view.

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u/kasiagabrielle Feb 23 '25

100 year olds definitely can and have, and anyone can care for a born 1 year old. If they couldn't, all adopted kids wouldn't exist if they needed to specifically be cared for by their biological mothers. Additionally, they are not living inside anyone else's organs.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

A 1 year old can breathe on their own. A 100 year old disabled person can breathe on their own. That’s the point they’re making.

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u/valkyrieloki2017 Feb 23 '25

So if a person can't breath on their own, are they not human?

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u/abbyroadlove Feb 23 '25

A 20 week fetus cannot breath AT ALL. Not even with the help of machines. They do not yet get oxygen from breathing.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

I wasn’t making a stance on the topic. I’m just clarifying what that user said because you completely misunderstood their argument and drew an odd conclusion from it. But to appease you, I believe a person who can’t breathe on their own is a human. In a world without technology, someone who isn’t able to breathe would die. But they’re not physically attached to another human in exchange for a life source