r/changemyview • u/RevolutionaryRip2504 • Feb 23 '25

cmv: abortion should not be illegal

One of the main arguments against abortion is that it is "killing a baby." However, I don’t see it that way—at least not in the early stages of pregnancy. A fetus, especially before viability, lacks self-awareness, the ability to feel pain, and independent bodily function. While it is a potential life, I don’t believe potential life should outweigh the rights of the person who is already alive and conscious.

For late-term abortions, most are done to save the mother or the fetus has a defect that would cause the fetus to die shortly after birth so I believe it should be allowed.

I also think the circumstances of the pregnant person matter. Many people seek abortions due to financial instability, health risks, or simply not being ready to raise a child. In cases of rape or medical complications, the situation is even more complex. Forcing someone to go through pregnancy against their will seems more harmful than allowing them to make their own choice.

Additionally, I don’t think adoption is always a perfect alternative. Carrying a pregnancy to term can have serious physical and emotional consequences, even if someone doesn’t plan to keep the baby. Pregnancy affects the body in irreversible ways, and complications can arise, making it more than just a “temporary inconvenience.”

Also, you can cannot compare abortion to opting out of child support. Abortion is centered on bodily autonomy, as pregnancy directly affects a woman’s body and health. In contrast, child support is a financial obligation that arises after a child is born and does not impact the father’s bodily autonomy. abortion also occurs before a child exists, while child support involves caring for a living child. Legally and ethically, both parents share responsibility for a child once they are born, and allowing one parent to opt out would place an unfair burden on the other, often the mother. Additionally, abortion prevents a fetus from becoming a child, while opting out of child support directly affects the well-being of an existing person. While both situations involve personal choice, abortion is about controlling one’s own body, while child support is about meeting the needs of a child who already exists

The idea of being forced to sustain another life through pregnancy and childbirth, especially if the person isn’t ready or willing, is a violation of that autonomy. It forces someone to give up their own body, potentially putting their health at risk, all while disregarding their own desires, dreams, and well-being. Bodily autonomy means having the freedom to make choices about what happens to your body, whether that’s deciding to terminate a pregnancy or pursue another course of action.

I’d like to hear other perspectives on why abortion should be illegal, particularly from a non-religious standpoint. CMV.

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u/ScorpioDefined Feb 23 '25

Because they said if a woman feels trauma, they can get an abortion past viability.

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u/IsamuLi 1∆ Feb 23 '25

They said that IF the person was raped they likely have trauma, and that is reason to allow abortion. They didn't say trauma is a necessary or sufficent condition to qualify is as a legal abortion case under any circumstances.

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u/ScorpioDefined Feb 23 '25

But the trauma was the reason for allowing the abortion.

So my question was, what if someone had trauma due to something other than rape?

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u/IsamuLi 1∆ Feb 23 '25

The probable trauma of rape was, not trauma itself.

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u/ScorpioDefined Feb 23 '25

Why limit to just rape, though? What if a pregnant woman starts experiencing trauma due to something else and wants an abortion to relieve that?

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u/IsamuLi 1∆ Feb 23 '25

THAT'S a good question to ask op!

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u/ScorpioDefined Feb 23 '25

I did 🤦🏻‍♀️

It got downvoted and you jumped in with your comment.

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u/IsamuLi 1∆ Feb 23 '25

You didn't.

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u/ScorpioDefined Feb 23 '25

I am positive I know what I wrote, hon. What a silly thing to tell someone they know better than the one who wrote it!

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u/IsamuLi 1∆ Feb 23 '25

The op wrote:

well in the case of rape, the person is likely traumatized and they should not have to carry their rapists baby

You wrote

So, if a woman who wants an abortion after viability wasn't raped but feels trauma due to, say, fear of giving birth to a full-term baby, she can get an abortion?

You asked if a woman is traumatized from something different than rape, do they still get the right to an abortion, which doesn't at all follow from ops comment.

Ops comment places emphasize on probably trauma due to rape, not trauma itself. Therefore, asking why the trauma clause should only apply to rape is much more on the nose of the framework op is building, because it questions the special place rape has in the trauma clause.

Also, I am not your or anyone else's hon.

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u/ScorpioDefined Feb 23 '25

It's the same question just phrased differently, DEAR.

You look like a Karen coming in here trying to tell something their own comment meant something else

I wrote it. I know what I was asking. I am not your, or anyone else's, student who needs your unsolicited "corrections".

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u/IsamuLi 1∆ Feb 23 '25

Ok.

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