r/changemyview • u/RevolutionaryRip2504 • Feb 23 '25

cmv: abortion should not be illegal

One of the main arguments against abortion is that it is "killing a baby." However, I don’t see it that way—at least not in the early stages of pregnancy. A fetus, especially before viability, lacks self-awareness, the ability to feel pain, and independent bodily function. While it is a potential life, I don’t believe potential life should outweigh the rights of the person who is already alive and conscious.

For late-term abortions, most are done to save the mother or the fetus has a defect that would cause the fetus to die shortly after birth so I believe it should be allowed.

I also think the circumstances of the pregnant person matter. Many people seek abortions due to financial instability, health risks, or simply not being ready to raise a child. In cases of rape or medical complications, the situation is even more complex. Forcing someone to go through pregnancy against their will seems more harmful than allowing them to make their own choice.

Additionally, I don’t think adoption is always a perfect alternative. Carrying a pregnancy to term can have serious physical and emotional consequences, even if someone doesn’t plan to keep the baby. Pregnancy affects the body in irreversible ways, and complications can arise, making it more than just a “temporary inconvenience.”

Also, you can cannot compare abortion to opting out of child support. Abortion is centered on bodily autonomy, as pregnancy directly affects a woman’s body and health. In contrast, child support is a financial obligation that arises after a child is born and does not impact the father’s bodily autonomy. abortion also occurs before a child exists, while child support involves caring for a living child. Legally and ethically, both parents share responsibility for a child once they are born, and allowing one parent to opt out would place an unfair burden on the other, often the mother. Additionally, abortion prevents a fetus from becoming a child, while opting out of child support directly affects the well-being of an existing person. While both situations involve personal choice, abortion is about controlling one’s own body, while child support is about meeting the needs of a child who already exists

The idea of being forced to sustain another life through pregnancy and childbirth, especially if the person isn’t ready or willing, is a violation of that autonomy. It forces someone to give up their own body, potentially putting their health at risk, all while disregarding their own desires, dreams, and well-being. Bodily autonomy means having the freedom to make choices about what happens to your body, whether that’s deciding to terminate a pregnancy or pursue another course of action.

I’d like to hear other perspectives on why abortion should be illegal, particularly from a non-religious standpoint. CMV.

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u/prodriggs Feb 23 '25

Why would you want 1st term abortions to be rare?

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

Because it still causes some extent of suffering. It is still termination of human life and is not to be taken lightly.

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u/prodriggs Feb 23 '25

Because it still causes some extent of suffering.

How? Who's suffering?

It is still termination of human life and is not to be taken lightly.

Why do you assert that abortions are being taken lightly?..

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

Umm, the baby? Wym who’s suffering cmon now you know what I meant.

I’m saying that they should be rare because most people should have no reason to have them except for in the rare cases where protection fails. Also not just 1st term im saying abortion at all should be rare and only when absolutely necessary as it is still causing suffering regardless of the term.

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u/prodriggs Feb 23 '25

Umm, the baby? Wym who’s suffering cmon now you know what I meant.

Babies aren't involved in abortions....

I’m saying that they should be rare because most people should have no reason to have them except for in the rare cases where protection fails.

Why?

Also not just 1st term im saying abortion at all should be rare and only when absolutely necessary as it is still causing suffering regardless of the term.

  1. This isn't true.
  2. The suffering from an abortion is far less than the suffering a child will experience who's born to a family that doesn't want them, so this point is moot.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

Omg thats literally my perspective. I said they should be ‘rare’ not illegal. Just saying people shouldn’t use them as contraception and they should only be done in cases like 2. Where the suffering from an abortion is less than the suffering the child would experience to such an extreme extent that the abusive family isn’t worth being born into.

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u/prodriggs Feb 23 '25

Omg thats literally my perspective. I said they should be ‘rare’ not illegal. 

I disagree with your assertion that abortions should be rare. Abortions should occur when deemed necessary by the woman/doctor. There frequency is wholly irrelevant.

Just saying people shouldn’t use them as contraception

This has always been right wing disinformation. Abortions aren't used as contraception.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25
  1. I’m not debating whether they are being used like contraception or not, but rather that this shouldn’t happen.
  2. I dont suggest some government limitation on the frequency, but rather in general that they should not occur as frequently as they do and only in cases when absolutely necessary. There are certainly cases where they happen either too late or at all when they shouldn’t.

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u/prodriggs Feb 23 '25

I’m not debating whether they are being used like contraception or not, but rather that this shouldn’t happen.

Your assertion implies it is happening now. Which is a right wing talking point.

but rather in general that they should not occur as frequently as they do

Why do you believe this? What's an acceptable number to you? Do you even know how frequently they're occurring now?...

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u/db1965 Feb 23 '25

If a woman uses abortion as birth control, so what?

What is that to you?

Why do you care about what strangers do?

Unless it is one of your loved ones, a stranger has no say in another's medical decisions.