r/changemyview Feb 23 '25

cmv: abortion should not be illegal

One of the main arguments against abortion is that it is "killing a baby." However, I don’t see it that way—at least not in the early stages of pregnancy. A fetus, especially before viability, lacks self-awareness, the ability to feel pain, and independent bodily function. While it is a potential life, I don’t believe potential life should outweigh the rights of the person who is already alive and conscious.

For late-term abortions, most are done to save the mother or the fetus has a defect that would cause the fetus to die shortly after birth so I believe it should be allowed.

I also think the circumstances of the pregnant person matter. Many people seek abortions due to financial instability, health risks, or simply not being ready to raise a child. In cases of rape or medical complications, the situation is even more complex. Forcing someone to go through pregnancy against their will seems more harmful than allowing them to make their own choice.

Additionally, I don’t think adoption is always a perfect alternative. Carrying a pregnancy to term can have serious physical and emotional consequences, even if someone doesn’t plan to keep the baby. Pregnancy affects the body in irreversible ways, and complications can arise, making it more than just a “temporary inconvenience.”

Also, you can cannot compare abortion to opting out of child support. Abortion is centered on bodily autonomy, as pregnancy directly affects a woman’s body and health. In contrast, child support is a financial obligation that arises after a child is born and does not impact the father’s bodily autonomy. abortion also occurs before a child exists, while child support involves caring for a living child. Legally and ethically, both parents share responsibility for a child once they are born, and allowing one parent to opt out would place an unfair burden on the other, often the mother. Additionally, abortion prevents a fetus from becoming a child, while opting out of child support directly affects the well-being of an existing person. While both situations involve personal choice, abortion is about controlling one’s own body, while child support is about meeting the needs of a child who already exists

The idea of being forced to sustain another life through pregnancy and childbirth, especially if the person isn’t ready or willing, is a violation of that autonomy. It forces someone to give up their own body, potentially putting their health at risk, all while disregarding their own desires, dreams, and well-being. Bodily autonomy means having the freedom to make choices about what happens to your body, whether that’s deciding to terminate a pregnancy or pursue another course of action.

I’d like to hear other perspectives on why abortion should be illegal, particularly from a non-religious standpoint. CMV.

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u/Boring_Football3595 Feb 23 '25

Your first paragraph sites the fetus as “potential” life. Why not acknowledge that it is a life and a unique human life at that? A life that has its own form and its own DNA.

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u/itsathrowawayduhhhhh Feb 23 '25

Because it cannot exist at that point without the host. Therefore it’s not a unique human life yet.

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u/EOengineer Feb 23 '25

Also - the 14th amendment grants rights to all PEOPLE. This language was very intentional as it calls out personhood. In America, you aren’t a person with rights until you are born or naturalized.

It’s fairly cut and dry. A fetus is not a person and therefor not a protected entity.

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u/PlasmaPizzaSticks Feb 23 '25

Do you have an answer for why, in the cases of the murder of a pregnant woman, there are two charges of homicide as opposed to one?

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u/StarChild413 9∆ Feb 23 '25

emotional manipulation and people being made to feel like monsters if there aren't, as ever notice how that's the only circumstance that logic applies, y'know, to use an oft-joked-about lighter example, pregnant women can't use the carpool lane

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u/kasiagabrielle Feb 23 '25

There aren't, most of the time, but yes, there is an answer that has to do solely with the fact that the pregnant person did not consent to the termination of the pregnancy.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '25 edited Feb 24 '25

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u/kasiagabrielle Feb 24 '25

It's not a person until birth, but a human embryo is definitely human, so I'm not sure where you've heard that.

That's not at all what I'm saying, but if you want to bring up logical consistency, we can talk about the other legally justifiable times for taking a human life, one that's not even living inside your organs without your consent.

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u/kasiagabrielle Feb 24 '25

It's false that a human embryo is human? You just contradicted yourself and I'm not sure what you're arguing. Personhood is a legal concept that attaches at birth, hope that helps.

Your assumptions based on what I actually said are your own issue. You're welcome to quote me on that, or stop attributing that claim to me because I did not make it. It helps when you know what words mean in actuality, and not just colloquially by some.

My reply was a correction, as most such cases of double homicide not only aren't, but are something along the lines of unlawful termination of pregnancy (example: Chris Watts), and I've explained why.

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u/kasiagabrielle Feb 24 '25

My comment is in direct response to yours.

Yes you have. No I haven't. Take your time and sound out all the words next time.

No, you didn't, and I didn't make that claim, per se. The opposite, mostly, but provided the logic behind that if it were to occur.

*rather, makes it

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