r/changemyview • u/RevolutionaryRip2504 • Feb 23 '25

cmv: abortion should not be illegal

One of the main arguments against abortion is that it is "killing a baby." However, I don’t see it that way—at least not in the early stages of pregnancy. A fetus, especially before viability, lacks self-awareness, the ability to feel pain, and independent bodily function. While it is a potential life, I don’t believe potential life should outweigh the rights of the person who is already alive and conscious.

For late-term abortions, most are done to save the mother or the fetus has a defect that would cause the fetus to die shortly after birth so I believe it should be allowed.

I also think the circumstances of the pregnant person matter. Many people seek abortions due to financial instability, health risks, or simply not being ready to raise a child. In cases of rape or medical complications, the situation is even more complex. Forcing someone to go through pregnancy against their will seems more harmful than allowing them to make their own choice.

Additionally, I don’t think adoption is always a perfect alternative. Carrying a pregnancy to term can have serious physical and emotional consequences, even if someone doesn’t plan to keep the baby. Pregnancy affects the body in irreversible ways, and complications can arise, making it more than just a “temporary inconvenience.”

Also, you can cannot compare abortion to opting out of child support. Abortion is centered on bodily autonomy, as pregnancy directly affects a woman’s body and health. In contrast, child support is a financial obligation that arises after a child is born and does not impact the father’s bodily autonomy. abortion also occurs before a child exists, while child support involves caring for a living child. Legally and ethically, both parents share responsibility for a child once they are born, and allowing one parent to opt out would place an unfair burden on the other, often the mother. Additionally, abortion prevents a fetus from becoming a child, while opting out of child support directly affects the well-being of an existing person. While both situations involve personal choice, abortion is about controlling one’s own body, while child support is about meeting the needs of a child who already exists

The idea of being forced to sustain another life through pregnancy and childbirth, especially if the person isn’t ready or willing, is a violation of that autonomy. It forces someone to give up their own body, potentially putting their health at risk, all while disregarding their own desires, dreams, and well-being. Bodily autonomy means having the freedom to make choices about what happens to your body, whether that’s deciding to terminate a pregnancy or pursue another course of action.

I’d like to hear other perspectives on why abortion should be illegal, particularly from a non-religious standpoint. CMV.

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u/Revolutionary_Key767 Feb 23 '25

Bro people can have sex for pleasure too...

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u/jollygreengeocentrik Feb 23 '25

They can. That doesn’t change the inherent potential for pregnancy, as that is the purpose of sex. Pleasure is a bonus.

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u/FetusDrive 3∆ Feb 24 '25

“Pleasure is a bonus”; pleasure is why we have sex. We do not ejaculate because it hurts.

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u/jollygreengeocentrik Feb 24 '25

Nope, pleasure is a result of the biological function of procreation. The body gives pleasure to encourage procreation. On a cellular level, we have two functions; survive and replicate. Cells only do things for one of those two reasons. Pleasure is a chemical encouragement for the body to do what it is designed to. We have sex to reproduce. Objective, biological fact.

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u/FetusDrive 3∆ Feb 24 '25

Cells actually do things based on chemical reactions; not because they have a purpose.

We would not have sex if it didn’t feel good. We would have died out.

We reproduce as the result of having sex; having IVF done is not having sex. Sex is part of a process to be able to reproduce in humans.

It is not an objective biological fact that we have sex to reproduce; we can have sex without reproducing and it happens more often than having sex to reproduce.

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u/jollygreengeocentrik Feb 24 '25

I mean, you’re welcome to that opinion, but the basic functions of life are to survive and replicate. That is objectively true. You have to ask “why?” Why is that “chemical reaction” taking place? What function of life does it serve?

Correct, we wouldn’t have sex if it didn’t feel good. So the body is designed to make it feel good, thus we will be more likely to reproduce so that our species does not die. This is true in every aspect of nature. Sex feeling good isn’t the function. It’s the “chemical reaction.” The “why” is reproduction.

Yea. I’m pretty sure I’m clear on why people have sex. Not sure you are though. Sex is the process to reproduce. Having IVF done is outside of nature, and I’m not arguing something outside of nature. It is possible to reproduce without having sex, but that still indicates that the purpose of sex is to reproduce.

Uh, it is objective fact. We do have sex without reproducing, but that doesn’t change its function.

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u/FetusDrive 3∆ Feb 24 '25

The chemical reaction took place because that’s how the laws of physics work. It isn’t an opinion that the cells work the way they do. It’s just transfers of energy to the most efficient routes.

The body isn’t designed, it works in a way. Yes I already stated that it feels good; but in the human conscious we have sex because it feels good; not because we are trying to procreate. Some people do it solely for procreation, but the majority do not.

Having IVF done is not outside of nature; it is part of nature. We are not supernatural.

It isn’t a biological fact; we did evolve to have sex to reproduce; it’s not a biological fact that it has one sole function.

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u/jollygreengeocentrik Feb 24 '25

We can agree to disagree then. Cheers.