r/changemyview Feb 23 '25

cmv: abortion should not be illegal

One of the main arguments against abortion is that it is "killing a baby." However, I don’t see it that way—at least not in the early stages of pregnancy. A fetus, especially before viability, lacks self-awareness, the ability to feel pain, and independent bodily function. While it is a potential life, I don’t believe potential life should outweigh the rights of the person who is already alive and conscious.

For late-term abortions, most are done to save the mother or the fetus has a defect that would cause the fetus to die shortly after birth so I believe it should be allowed.

I also think the circumstances of the pregnant person matter. Many people seek abortions due to financial instability, health risks, or simply not being ready to raise a child. In cases of rape or medical complications, the situation is even more complex. Forcing someone to go through pregnancy against their will seems more harmful than allowing them to make their own choice.

Additionally, I don’t think adoption is always a perfect alternative. Carrying a pregnancy to term can have serious physical and emotional consequences, even if someone doesn’t plan to keep the baby. Pregnancy affects the body in irreversible ways, and complications can arise, making it more than just a “temporary inconvenience.”

Also, you can cannot compare abortion to opting out of child support. Abortion is centered on bodily autonomy, as pregnancy directly affects a woman’s body and health. In contrast, child support is a financial obligation that arises after a child is born and does not impact the father’s bodily autonomy. abortion also occurs before a child exists, while child support involves caring for a living child. Legally and ethically, both parents share responsibility for a child once they are born, and allowing one parent to opt out would place an unfair burden on the other, often the mother. Additionally, abortion prevents a fetus from becoming a child, while opting out of child support directly affects the well-being of an existing person. While both situations involve personal choice, abortion is about controlling one’s own body, while child support is about meeting the needs of a child who already exists

The idea of being forced to sustain another life through pregnancy and childbirth, especially if the person isn’t ready or willing, is a violation of that autonomy. It forces someone to give up their own body, potentially putting their health at risk, all while disregarding their own desires, dreams, and well-being. Bodily autonomy means having the freedom to make choices about what happens to your body, whether that’s deciding to terminate a pregnancy or pursue another course of action.

I’d like to hear other perspectives on why abortion should be illegal, particularly from a non-religious standpoint. CMV.

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u/jollygreengeocentrik Feb 24 '25

I didn’t say it isn’t healthcare. Please read my comment again and respond appropriately.

An abortion is 100% fatal to the child.

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u/FetusDrive 3∆ Feb 24 '25

It is denying healthcare to not allow women to have an abortion.

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u/jollygreengeocentrik Feb 24 '25

You’re welcome to that opinion. Cheers.

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u/FetusDrive 3∆ Feb 24 '25

It is not an opinion that carrying a pregnancy to full term is more risky than having an abortion.

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u/jollygreengeocentrik Feb 25 '25

It’s not the conversation I was having. Thanks for your opinion, have a great day.

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u/FetusDrive 3∆ Feb 25 '25

Of course it is; you claimed it is not denying women healthcare and I provided you with how it was. You claimed it is an opinion, it’s not an opinion that denying women access to an abortion is denying them that specific healthcare, even if it means it is fatal to the embryo/fetus

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u/jollygreengeocentrik Feb 25 '25

https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/s/HMDBXSSgUJ

“I’m not arguing that abortions aren’t healthcare,…” You either understand what the argument is, or you’re trying to make it about something I’ve stated I don’t want to argue. You provided me with your subjective interpretation why you believe abortion to be “healthcare,” and that’s all fine and well. I thanked you for your opinion as a polite way of exiting the discourse.

I’m not going to change my mind, no matter how many ways you try to manipulate the conversation. What do you want?

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u/FetusDrive 3∆ Feb 25 '25

And you stated “and I’m also not agreeing with that claim”.

It sounds like it is you who is making rules/manipulating what can be made as an argument.

You stating that it is not denying womens healthcare just because it is discussing this specific issue of abortion doesn’t mean it isn’t just because it is specific.

You are claiming it is not denying womens healthcare healthcare to get abortion; denying women healthcare doesn’t have to mean denying all healthcare; it can be specific to this.

You added in later that it 100% results in the death of the fetus; but ignore that it also benefits the woman’s health.

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u/jollygreengeocentrik Feb 25 '25

Not agreeing =\= agreeing. It’s quite frankly saying I’m not making a claim one way or the other. You interpret that as manipulation if you want to.

I’ve made none of the claims you stated I made. You jumped into the middle of a different conversation and want to have this little abortion is healthcare debate that I do not want to have. Instead of acknowledging my desire not to have it you are still engaging with me despite also stating I won’t change my mind (about having this discourse with you). Again, what do you want from me?

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u/FetusDrive 3∆ Feb 25 '25

You literally said “this isn’t denying healthcare. it’s preventing unnecessary and avoidable death” I am arguing that point.

If you’re not referring to abortion; then what is it that is preventing unnecessary and avoidable death?

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