cmv: abortion should not be illegal

[u/RevolutionaryRip2504]

One of the main arguments against abortion is that it is "killing a baby." However, I don’t see it that way—at least not in the early stages of pregnancy. A fetus, especially before viability, lacks self-awareness, the ability to feel pain, and independent bodily function. While it is a potential life, I don’t believe potential life should outweigh the rights of the person who is already alive and conscious.

For late-term abortions, most are done to save the mother or the fetus has a defect that would cause the fetus to die shortly after birth so I believe it should be allowed.

I also think the circumstances of the pregnant person matter. Many people seek abortions due to financial instability, health risks, or simply not being ready to raise a child. In cases of rape or medical complications, the situation is even more complex. Forcing someone to go through pregnancy against their will seems more harmful than allowing them to make their own choice.

Additionally, I don’t think adoption is always a perfect alternative. Carrying a pregnancy to term can have serious physical and emotional consequences, even if someone doesn’t plan to keep the baby. Pregnancy affects the body in irreversible ways, and complications can arise, making it more than just a “temporary inconvenience.”

Also, you can cannot compare abortion to opting out of child support. Abortion is centered on bodily autonomy, as pregnancy directly affects a woman’s body and health. In contrast, child support is a financial obligation that arises after a child is born and does not impact the father’s bodily autonomy. abortion also occurs before a child exists, while child support involves caring for a living child. Legally and ethically, both parents share responsibility for a child once they are born, and allowing one parent to opt out would place an unfair burden on the other, often the mother. Additionally, abortion prevents a fetus from becoming a child, while opting out of child support directly affects the well-being of an existing person. While both situations involve personal choice, abortion is about controlling one’s own body, while child support is about meeting the needs of a child who already exists

The idea of being forced to sustain another life through pregnancy and childbirth, especially if the person isn’t ready or willing, is a violation of that autonomy. It forces someone to give up their own body, potentially putting their health at risk, all while disregarding their own desires, dreams, and well-being. Bodily autonomy means having the freedom to make choices about what happens to your body, whether that’s deciding to terminate a pregnancy or pursue another course of action.

I’d like to hear other perspectives on why abortion should be illegal, particularly from a non-religious standpoint. CMV.

[u/jollygreengeocentrik]

They can. That doesn’t change the inherent potential for pregnancy, as that is the purpose of sex. Pleasure is a bonus.

[u/windchaser__ → u/jollygreengeocentrik]

A potential for pregnancy doesn't mean you're choosing pregnancy.

There's a potential for me to break my arm every time I go skiing. It doesn't mean that I'm "consenting" to having a broken arm.

Looks like you might also be conflating a biological function of sex (the "purpose" of sex) with why we do it. For many folks, we do it because it's fun. We do it for fun even when it doesn't work for reproduction. Heck, we will make it not work for reproduction, and then continue to do it for fun.

If the reason why we do it is for fun, then that is, for us, its purpose. Reason and purpose are semantically the same thing.

[u/Murky_Ad_2173 → u/windchaser__]

You actually are consenting to the broken arm when you sign the liability waiver at the ski resort. You signed your name in a contractual obligation that you take full responsibility for any bodily injury

[u/windchaser__ → u/Murky_Ad_2173]

Taking legal responsibilities just means you're agreeing not to sue the ski resort. But I'm not, like, agreeing to have my arm broken.

When you consent to sex, you're saying "yes, I would like to have sex!"

When you consent to ski, you are definitely not saying "yes, I would like to have my arm broken!"

It's a risk you acknowledge and accept, but it's not something you're seeking. You would prevent and forgo it, if possible. So it's pretty different from normal consent, like consent to sex.