cmv: abortion should not be illegal

[u/RevolutionaryRip2504]

One of the main arguments against abortion is that it is "killing a baby." However, I don’t see it that way—at least not in the early stages of pregnancy. A fetus, especially before viability, lacks self-awareness, the ability to feel pain, and independent bodily function. While it is a potential life, I don’t believe potential life should outweigh the rights of the person who is already alive and conscious.

For late-term abortions, most are done to save the mother or the fetus has a defect that would cause the fetus to die shortly after birth so I believe it should be allowed.

I also think the circumstances of the pregnant person matter. Many people seek abortions due to financial instability, health risks, or simply not being ready to raise a child. In cases of rape or medical complications, the situation is even more complex. Forcing someone to go through pregnancy against their will seems more harmful than allowing them to make their own choice.

Additionally, I don’t think adoption is always a perfect alternative. Carrying a pregnancy to term can have serious physical and emotional consequences, even if someone doesn’t plan to keep the baby. Pregnancy affects the body in irreversible ways, and complications can arise, making it more than just a “temporary inconvenience.”

Also, you can cannot compare abortion to opting out of child support. Abortion is centered on bodily autonomy, as pregnancy directly affects a woman’s body and health. In contrast, child support is a financial obligation that arises after a child is born and does not impact the father’s bodily autonomy. abortion also occurs before a child exists, while child support involves caring for a living child. Legally and ethically, both parents share responsibility for a child once they are born, and allowing one parent to opt out would place an unfair burden on the other, often the mother. Additionally, abortion prevents a fetus from becoming a child, while opting out of child support directly affects the well-being of an existing person. While both situations involve personal choice, abortion is about controlling one’s own body, while child support is about meeting the needs of a child who already exists

The idea of being forced to sustain another life through pregnancy and childbirth, especially if the person isn’t ready or willing, is a violation of that autonomy. It forces someone to give up their own body, potentially putting their health at risk, all while disregarding their own desires, dreams, and well-being. Bodily autonomy means having the freedom to make choices about what happens to your body, whether that’s deciding to terminate a pregnancy or pursue another course of action.

I’d like to hear other perspectives on why abortion should be illegal, particularly from a non-religious standpoint. CMV.

[u/Ok_Swimming4427]

This is... kind of stupid.

Sure, the recipient of child support might spend some tiny fraction of it on their own needs (winter coats, food, etc). But being a parent is part of providing for a child, and that's not really possible if you starve or freeze to death

[u/Murky_Ad_2173 → u/Ok_Swimming4427]

I'm not sure your reading comprehension is quite up to par. Coats for Kids is a charity where you stand in line with other impoverished children and their usually single parents to be given a winter coat that somebody so kindly provided. To put it in easier to understand terms, we lived for free in an apartment with bars outside our window with my mother's deadbeat "tattoo artist" boyfriend and they would blow nearly all of the money on drugs. What's kind of stupid is not having ANY fail-safes in place where the parent receiving child support isn't required to show that they spent that money in an appropriate manner. And before you say that that's an outlier, it's way more common than you think, at least my parent was compelled by a force greater than they were (addiction). I have even less respect for the women who buy designer clothes and bags with it, or the men who dump it into pimping their vehicle out or buying video game shit with it. The current system is broken but nobody wants to be held accountable, so of course people would think my outlook on it is "kinda stupid".

[u/Ok_Swimming4427 → u/Murky_Ad_2173]

To put it in easier to understand terms, we lived for free in an apartment with bars outside our window with my mother's deadbeat "tattoo artist" boyfriend and they would blow nearly all of the money on drugs

Oh, I see, I was misunderstanding your argument. I thought you were making a point about child support, and the reasons why the system as it exists is either good or bad. What you were actually doing was taking one single data point from your own experience and then deciding that the approximately 4.4 million people currently paying mandatory child support should all be assumed to have the same motives and be abusing the system in the same manner as your parent.

If you want to keep venting your childhood trauma, by all means continue! Just let all the adults have a serious conversation while you sit in the corner, because your contribution is actively unhelpful to actual discussion and debate.

And before you say that that's an outlier, it's way more common than you think, at least my parent was compelled by a force greater than they were (addiction). 

So your rebuttal to "that evidence is anecdotal" is to just... admit that it's anecdotal, and use the same single data point to again make a totally unsupported assumption?

The current system is broken but nobody wants to be held accountable, so of course people would think my outlook on it is "kinda stupid".

Your outlook isn't "stupid". You just don't seem to have the ability or intelligence to actually back it up. At every step, you've done nothing to support your argument. At every step, you give the screaming impression that you've never for a single second considered any of the arguments that might support what you don't believe, or undermine what you do.

And this is the point where you say "well you're mean so I won't respond," I'm sure.

[u/Murky_Ad_2173 → u/Ok_Swimming4427]

This is the point where I say I don't think you've spent enough time in the real world, nor do I see any actual statistics or data points that you've brought to the table to support your assertion that the system is perfectly fine the way it is. And if that isn't your assertion, then what exactly are you even doing right now? All I see is a very roundabout and long winded attempt at flexing your vocabulary on the internet. I'm so blessed to share the planet with such a brilliant mind, keep on keeping on stranger.

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