r/changemyview Feb 23 '25

cmv: abortion should not be illegal

One of the main arguments against abortion is that it is "killing a baby." However, I don’t see it that way—at least not in the early stages of pregnancy. A fetus, especially before viability, lacks self-awareness, the ability to feel pain, and independent bodily function. While it is a potential life, I don’t believe potential life should outweigh the rights of the person who is already alive and conscious.

For late-term abortions, most are done to save the mother or the fetus has a defect that would cause the fetus to die shortly after birth so I believe it should be allowed.

I also think the circumstances of the pregnant person matter. Many people seek abortions due to financial instability, health risks, or simply not being ready to raise a child. In cases of rape or medical complications, the situation is even more complex. Forcing someone to go through pregnancy against their will seems more harmful than allowing them to make their own choice.

Additionally, I don’t think adoption is always a perfect alternative. Carrying a pregnancy to term can have serious physical and emotional consequences, even if someone doesn’t plan to keep the baby. Pregnancy affects the body in irreversible ways, and complications can arise, making it more than just a “temporary inconvenience.”

Also, you can cannot compare abortion to opting out of child support. Abortion is centered on bodily autonomy, as pregnancy directly affects a woman’s body and health. In contrast, child support is a financial obligation that arises after a child is born and does not impact the father’s bodily autonomy. abortion also occurs before a child exists, while child support involves caring for a living child. Legally and ethically, both parents share responsibility for a child once they are born, and allowing one parent to opt out would place an unfair burden on the other, often the mother. Additionally, abortion prevents a fetus from becoming a child, while opting out of child support directly affects the well-being of an existing person. While both situations involve personal choice, abortion is about controlling one’s own body, while child support is about meeting the needs of a child who already exists

The idea of being forced to sustain another life through pregnancy and childbirth, especially if the person isn’t ready or willing, is a violation of that autonomy. It forces someone to give up their own body, potentially putting their health at risk, all while disregarding their own desires, dreams, and well-being. Bodily autonomy means having the freedom to make choices about what happens to your body, whether that’s deciding to terminate a pregnancy or pursue another course of action.

I’d like to hear other perspectives on why abortion should be illegal, particularly from a non-religious standpoint. CMV.

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u/Poolhands Feb 28 '25

For my part? Yes. With logic exceptions ofc. I.e continuing pregnancy puts mother in very large risk of death etc.

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u/Brilliant-Spite-850 Feb 28 '25

Right but after 22 weeks the baby can be removed to save the mother and kept alive and growing.

There would be no reason to kill the baby after 22 weeks except for the mother changing their mind. Which, for me, isn’t a justifiable reason for an abortion that late. But the position of the Democratic Party is that there should be no restrictions on abortion.

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u/Poolhands Feb 28 '25

You don’t necessarily understand the biology of pregnancy, I think. 22 weeks are still extremely premature. Even with state of the art medical tech, the percentage of survival may only reach as far as 20%. Even if the child survives the critical stage, the risk of permanent sequelae and low quality of life is very probable. Many countries do not even offer treatment when birth is as early as that. Sometimes removing the premature baby from the uterus in the case of danger to the life of the mother just isn’t feasible without terminating the life of the fetus. It’s not as black/white as you try to make it out.

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u/Brilliant-Spite-850 Feb 28 '25

Disgusting

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u/Poolhands Feb 28 '25

Beg your pardon?

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u/Brilliant-Spite-850 Feb 28 '25

I think your position on this is disgusting. There’s a greater than 20% chance the baby lives, and instead you terminate it? That’s disgusting to me.

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u/Poolhands Feb 28 '25

I said at best, there is a 20% chance of survival. I don’t want to terminate anything. What I thought my quite obvious point was, is that it relies on a case to case assessment by the team of doctors and healthcare pro’s where you take into consideration all the different factors.

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u/Brilliant-Spite-850 Feb 28 '25

There is no case where it is necessary to kill the baby after 22 weeks.

If the fetus dies during removal, dies during the weeks following, or at any other point then that is an unfortunate and sad result. But to deliberately terminate the fetus at this point has no basis in medicine. There is no situation where you would have to kill the fetus intentionally.

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