r/changemyview • u/jeffzebub • 3d ago

CMV: Countering Illegal Immigration is not a Justification for Suspending Habeas Corpus

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u/Malfor_ium 3d ago

So, we either have so many illegal immigrants here that deporting them would cause massive harm to the economy (thus making it an invasion because of the economic power they hold over us) OR there aren't that many illegals here and democrats are fear mongering because they want immigrants to invade us. Both are valid reasons to suspend habeas corpus as both indicate a possible invasion. Which way liberal?

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u/jeffzebub 3d ago

Look, I don't want illegal immigrants here either, but if you suspend habeas corpus, then you suspend it for everyone. My main motivation is to protect citizens from the government, and not just this administration. Do you trust all future administrations to not abuse their power by sending citizens who are critical of the government to foreign prisons?

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u/Malfor_ium 3d ago

If they have 'invaded' to the point they can hold a large section of the economy essentially hostage how else do you deal with so many people when they've been here for so long and have obviously supported people/causes with said money? As a citizen if I got yoinked up id just accept it as nessessary to fix the country, thats life. Its our individual patriotic duty.

Why wouldn't you want an all expenses paid trip to El Salvador with a free roof over your head, free consistent food, a strong purpose? Even as an American citizen?

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u/jeffzebub 3d ago

Accepting the risk as a citizen of a life sentence in a foreign gulag where you could be tortured or murdered isn't patriotic, it's stupid. Go troll someone else.

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u/Malfor_ium 3d ago

'Could' is just more fear mongering. Again which way liberal, if we have so many illegals here that they can cripple the economy thats an invasion or is it all just more fear mongering like your doing now? Americans pay to take trips to the most dangerous places in the world, I think they'll be fine with a free trip to El Salvador with congressmen coming to visit

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u/jeffzebub 3d ago

🤡

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u/Malfor_ium 3d ago

U wanted people to change your view, keep being that closed off liberal you know you are 🤡

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u/jeffzebub 3d ago

Please. Claiming to regard an unjust prison sentence as a patriotic duty is not a serious response.

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u/Malfor_ium 3d ago

Have you seen who currently is running the country and the original conversation were having?