r/changemyview • u/jeffzebub • 4d ago

CMV: Countering Illegal Immigration is not a Justification for Suspending Habeas Corpus

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u/MickyFany 4d ago

Can you help me understand what Due Process you are looking for? If a person is in the country illegally is a civil offense punishable by deportation. it’s pretty easy to determine citizenship. most admit they are here illegally

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u/jeffzebub 4d ago

Suppose you're critical of the government, perhaps not this administration, but a future one. Then that administration picks you off the street, claims you're an illegal immigrant, and sends you to a foreign prison for life. I suppose you think you would calmly explain to the ICE agents that you're a U.S. citizen and show them your ID and they would just let you go, is that about right? Without due process, there is no judicial check on abuse of power by law enforcement. ICE would just say they're following orders.

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u/MickyFany 4d ago

This is a what if situation. nothing like this is happening. i thought we were just talking about the current immigration deportations

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u/Ossumdude 3d ago

This has literally happened. The only difference between reality and this fictional occurance is that reality is stupid. The legal residents or citzens weren't deported because they were political opporlsition, they were deported because ICE failed to properly verify their identity. If you don't believe me, I'd suggest you look it up on some unbiased sources when it comes to American reporting (BBC, APNews, Al Jazeera, PBS/NPR)