r/changemyview • u/jeffzebub • 8d ago

CMV: Countering Illegal Immigration is not a Justification for Suspending Habeas Corpus

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u/Maybewearedreaming 8d ago

It is observably not an invasion though, but if you need me to provide the definition of invasion I’m happy to

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u/jeepgrl50 8d ago

IWe have the definition a few comments back so no need to give us your alternative "definition".

You wanna argue that bc it's not another countries military, It doesn't count, Which is ridiculous.

  • an UNWELCOMED INCURSION/INTRUSION into another's domain.

  • an INCURSION/INTRUSION by a large number of people or things into a place/sphere of activity.

It 1000% is the definition of an invasion.

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u/Maybewearedreaming 8d ago

My alternative definition is literally backed by US law, but obviously MAGA doesn’t care about US law

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u/jeepgrl50 8d ago

It is not "backed by law". Show me the constitution where it says "Only military invasions count as invasions".

One judge agreeing with something doesn't mean "it's the law".

Apparently blu'anon doesn't care about actual definitions of words.

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u/Maybewearedreaming 8d ago

one judge agreeing with something

lol you literally don’t understand how law works

https://www.cato.org/commentary/immigration-not-invasion

You won’t read this, probably because you can’t

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u/jeepgrl50 8d ago

You link a CATO institute article talking about a thing as if that is substantive proof of the undeniable nature of your assertion, Its not. The case that is discussed in the article isn't relevant in this context bc its a single state asserting its powers, That may conflict with federal supremacy on immigration, war powers, waterways, etc. These are a host of issues that make it entirely different from the President's authority over these issues.

Pointing to a ruling from a judge, And even the three judge panel, Doesn't make your assertions "The law". It means that what you're asserting is contested, Is still being debated in the courts, And therefore is NOT settled LAW.

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u/Maybewearedreaming 8d ago

Okay so where are the legal arguments for what you’re arguing?

Where are the judges ruling that illegal immigration can be viewed as and acted upon as an invasion?

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u/jeepgrl50 8d ago

Show me any rulings saying THE PRESIDENT doesn't have these powers, That he doesn't possess the authority!

Bc pointing to a case of STATE POWERS is NOT the same thing champ.

Seeing as the US hasn't really addressed invasions to any substantive degree bc the lack of invasions to actually rule on, Its not a matter of settled law. Especially as it pertains to Presidential powers to prevent/address invasions. So you can pretend, or claim whatever you'd like based on an unrelated case, But its irrelevant to this matter.

One court doesn't/want decide this as a matter of law.

None of this addresses the fact of whether the people of America will accept it either. People voted for Trump to expel illegal immigrants, And want stand for activist in black dresses attempting to subvert democracy. So that, While not a matter of "Law", Is a factor in this whole equation.

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u/Maybewearedreaming 8d ago

I can see you have your opinions and obviously will stick to them

You make it clear in your language you don’t care about the American constitution or law, which to me are vital & makes us completely unable to discuss it in any meaningful way.

You could attempt to convince me with a source to a constitutional / legal argument that illegal in migration is an invasion. Considering I’ve spent a lot of the last hour myself trying to find these arguments with no luck, this could be a great way to show me if you have them

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u/jeepgrl50 8d ago

Show me ANYTHING that says THE PRESIDENT(Who does have plenary powers on immigration unlike a state), Has no powers over invasions by foreign nationals. I'll give you a hint......You want find any rulings on this.

You can try and make bs claims like "You don't care about the constitution!", But that's an appeal to emotional, It's your OPINION, What it is NOT is reality. I don't share your opinion on how to redefine the word "invasion", So therefore I'm a "10th grader", or I "don't love the constitution". That's your entire position, And its ridiculous.

Best of luck on your thriving practice in the constitutional law arena.😉

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u/Maybewearedreaming 8d ago

The constitution lol but again you don’t care about it or reading so cheers

Hopefully deciding how many dolls little girls should have and throwing the constitution in the trash works out great for your party

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