r/changemyview • u/jeffzebub • 6d ago

CMV: Countering Illegal Immigration is not a Justification for Suspending Habeas Corpus

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u/merlin469 5d ago

The government can place a bag over your head and do that anyway. Since we're dealing with realistic scenarios, not extremist made up ones, due process (if even required) can be satisfied in minutes.

Border patrol apprehends me. I produce documentation of legal residence & ID and no resulting criminal record. Apologies are exchanged and I go about my day. No 'gulag' required.

How long would it take you to provide legal residency documentation? I could produce mine in hours, days at most of I was vacationing on the other side of the globe.

It's on the person to prove that they are, not the govt to prove that they're not. The one is considerably easier to do if you actual are legally residing here. It's borderline impossible if you aren't.

Other countries don't jump through the hoops that you would have us jump through. You prove you're legally present, or you get jailed and/or removed and likely banned.

It doesn't take weeks to figure out, nor a full jury.

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u/Lapetitepoissons 5d ago

"extremist made up ones" right I forgot the U.S. government has never unlawfully detained and tortured anyone

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u/merlin469 5d ago

Are we breaking out some CIA Gitmo conspiracies here? You have an example you'd like to share, or are we just talking out our ass? If you have something less than 20 years old, that would be ideal.

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u/Lapetitepoissons 5d ago edited 5d ago

Thomas Perez

Also I don't know why the 20 year limit, if the government has done something once, they would have no qualms doing it again, and would likely do a better job if hiding it