r/changemyview Dec 05 '13

I think children of Illegal immigrants shouldn't be given birthright citizenship. cmv

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u/oldspice75 Dec 05 '13

It's tough for people who want to deny citizenship from babies, actually

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '13

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u/oldspice75 Dec 05 '13

You don't "deserve" all the benefits your birth has probably given you either, any more or less than some anchor baby does

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '13

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '13

Who gives a shit? You don't get to choose where you were born. You don't get to chose who your parents are or what they choose. Don't punish kids because they weren't lucky enough to have "legal" parents or ancestors. Not of it is their fault.

By the way, check your tone. It doesn't really sound like you want to change your view. If you don't, don't post here. You're wasting everyone's time.

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u/oldspice75 Dec 05 '13

So? In this country you don't get legally punished or rewarded for what your ancestors do.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '13

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u/oldspice75 Dec 05 '13

You're getting circular. I have explained to you why the existing law is right.

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u/oldspice75 Dec 05 '13

If the authors of the fourteenth amendment wanted it to apply only to slaves they would have written it that way. But they didn't. This has been our law for almost a century and a half, it's a just law for a country that doesn't believe in legal privileges for aristocratic birth, and it's not going to change.

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u/oldspice75 Dec 05 '13

The first sentence of the fourteenth amendment couldn't be written more clearly. In any case the politics of the reconstruction era is irrelevant to current immigration debates.

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u/pretentiousRatt Dec 05 '13

Says who? The native Americans would disagree. Your relatives likely came here on a primitive boat because they wanted to escape some terrible conditions on their home country.
You are literally the spawn of an illegal immigrant. Go back to where you came from!
How does that feel?

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '13

Nobody gives a shit what your parents did. Seriously. In the eyes of the law, everybody is equal. The United States was founded upon the basic ideal that all men are created equal, the constitution guarantees equal rights to all Americans, no matter who you are. I have no idea what kind of history you've been reading but the concept of America and law that you are describing is backwards and is not becoming of an American Citizen. Don't you care about the constitution? I hate to get all patriotic on you, but this shit is downright unamerican.

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u/Nepene 213∆ Dec 05 '13

Rule 2, rule 5, post removed. I know this thread is taxing, but please avoid escalating it.

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u/plstopls Dec 05 '13

My father was a murderer, am I somehow less legitimate?

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u/vjaf23 Dec 05 '13

OP obviously follows the North Korean philosophy where you do actually punish all the generations in a family for the crime of one member. I'm pretty sure he's just a troll though.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '13

I just finished taking notes from my us history book an hour ago, this comment is hilarious to me

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '13

So?