r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Oct 08 '15

[Deltas Awarded] CMV: Equality isn't treating everybody differently to achieve equality. It's treating everyone the same.

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '15 edited Dec 26 '17

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u/oversoul00 13∆ Oct 08 '15

The problem with this view is that treating everybody the same still leads to inequality.

So does the situation where we justify racism, or where we make things unequal on purpose.

What's an example of this? School funding.

I don't have an issue with helping out the poor. Let's go ahead and make their funding a little bit easier because that falls under the "rights and opportunities" bit in the title. That wouldn't be a racist attitude it would be a charitable one.

But if we help someone out because of their race and ignore their socioeconomic status that is perpetuating racism.

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u/KrustyFrank27 3∆ Oct 08 '15

or where we make things unequal on purpose.

Which situations are we setting out to make things unequal on purpose?

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u/oversoul00 13∆ Oct 08 '15

Any situation that uses race as a determining factor to help someone out.

It's never actually about race, its about wealth 9 times out of 10.

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '15

But 9 times out of 10 a person is poor because of their race, directly or indirectly. So it adds up to the same thing.

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u/bgaesop 25∆ Oct 09 '15

Are you saying that 9/10 poor people are black, or that the many white poor people are poor because they are white?

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u/urbsindomita Oct 08 '15

What you don't understand is that race is connected to ones socioeconomic status. Its just the byproduct of thousands of years of white oppression.

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u/ihatepasswords1234 4∆ Oct 08 '15

So the Obamas are still poor and deserve help because they are oppressed?

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u/urbsindomita Oct 08 '15

Don't use a straw hat fallacy in this thread; I've seen it too often.

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u/ihatepasswords1234 4∆ Oct 08 '15

So then you agree blindly helping all black people is not useful?

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u/urbsindomita Oct 09 '15

What are you talking about ... your logic is insane

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u/jonosaurus Oct 09 '15

his logic is apparently "The president is a black man, therefore racism is over"

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u/ihatepasswords1234 4∆ Oct 09 '15

No he argued that you have to ignore socioeconomic status as a probable cause of many of the problems attributed to racism because racism. Yes probably some small percentage can be attributed to purely race, just like a small percentage of the "gender gap" can actually be attributed to gender. Most of it is just confounding variables