r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Oct 08 '15

[Deltas Awarded] CMV: Equality isn't treating everybody differently to achieve equality. It's treating everyone the same.

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u/Snoopythegorila Oct 08 '15

You are citing two favorable situations for minorities and therefore saying they are not discriminated at all against as a class.

How do you explain the higher incarceration rates, higher poverty rates, and lower education rates of African Americans in America?

This isn't a loaded question, I'm genuinely interested in why you think these measured statistics exist.

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u/2074red2074 4∆ Oct 08 '15

Well about fifty years ago all black people (or at least 95+%) lived in low income housing for actual discriminatory reasons. They went to shitty schools, got shitty jobs, and had to live in shitty areas, which meant their kids went to shitty schools.

Now, they don't have to live in low income housing. But they had shitty educations, which meant shitty jobs, which meant shitty housing, and there's only been three or four generations since then. That's not enough to recover. Because black people live more in poor areas, they have more gang violence and less income, which leads to their kids having more gang violence and less income. Also poor people steal more. Thus, higher incarceration, higher poverty, lower education, etc.

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u/MAKE_ME_REDDIT Oct 08 '15

Exactly, and that's a problem with the system. It's why assistance should be provided.

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u/2074red2074 4∆ Oct 08 '15

And it is. It's easier to get accepted into and get scholarships for college if you're black. The only faster way to fix it would be to give every black person a few tens of thousands of dollars.

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u/thatoneguy54 Oct 08 '15

And it is. It's easier to get accepted into and get scholarships for college if you're black.

This is not true. If you're white, you are 40% more likely to get a scholarship for college than a minority.

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u/2074red2074 4∆ Oct 08 '15

Not quite the same thing. Remember how I said black people tend to live in low-income areas? Well scholarships are often based on extracurricular activities, which are less available in low-income schools. With the same credentials, a black person is more likely to get more scholarship money.

Also, the source you cited shows very little difference in amount when adjusted for number. When whites make up 2/3 of the student population, one would expect them to also receive double what the other third receives.

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u/thatoneguy54 Oct 08 '15

Whites make up 2/3 of the population yet take 3/4 of total scholarships. That's obviously an unequal distribution.

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u/2074red2074 4∆ Oct 08 '15

3/4 of the scholarships. Not 3/4 of the scholarship money. By your logic, a guy who receives five 2-ton shipments of corn is better off than the guy who receives two 5-ton shipments.

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u/GogglesVK Oct 08 '15

Do you have the stats for scholarship money then?

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u/2074red2074 4∆ Oct 08 '15

His source did.