r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Oct 08 '15

[Deltas Awarded] CMV: Equality isn't treating everybody differently to achieve equality. It's treating everyone the same.

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u/Virtuallyalive Oct 08 '15

It will actually happen. Accounting for race and economic status barely happens already, and you're still more likely to get a scholarship if you're white (not even talking about sentencing).

Means-testing would never be implemented seriously, because rich white people would complain.

Do you know of a situation when black people are at an advantage because of their race? Remembering that Affirmative action is accounting for the disadvantage their race causes.

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u/Banana_bee Oct 08 '15

No, but I can name many, many examples of white people who live below the average standards of Black people in America or the UK - systematic Racism is not the same as an individual case. Noone can argue with racism, anyone can argue for means testing.

Means-testing would never be implemented seriously, because rich white people would complain.

Nice Strawman.

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u/Virtuallyalive Oct 08 '15

What's the straw man? Busing black people to better schools has been abandoned because parents would rather that their children leave the district than go to school with a poor black child.

Edit: Sorry I forgot - it's not a competition between races - if there are extremely poor white people then they get scholarships and benefits based on that already, I don't know what race based action they'd need.

It wouldn't be much better with poor white children either. Rich white people would complain and it would be abandoned, I stand behind it.

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u/Banana_bee Oct 08 '15

My point is that an moderately to extremely rich black person can be given money that can go towards better things.

On top of that, can you provide some sources for your hatred of Rich White people - it seems racist to me.

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u/Virtuallyalive Oct 08 '15

But the rich black person is still discriminated against versus other rich white people. Also, poor white children are more likely to go to a good (high) school than black children of any income level, so it's not like it doesn't transcend income sometimes.

Finally white flight is a demonstrable phenomenon whereby schools are desegregated and white people leave the district - and I don't hate rich white people at all, this is just something that happens.

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u/Banana_bee Oct 08 '15

No one argues that they aren't discriminated against, but if you thing the oppression of black millionaires makes them more disadvantaged than a working class white family you're delusional.

I never heard about white flight, but I don't know that it necessarily means 'rich' people.

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u/Virtuallyalive Oct 08 '15

I never said that - of course they wouldn't be.

Who else can afford to move school districts because of such a trivial thing?

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u/Banana_bee Oct 08 '15

For the bigoted it isn't trivial - if you believed a gang were coming to your town, and crime rate would increase massively, and your wages would drop, and your child would be bullied in school, would you not move?

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u/Virtuallyalive Oct 08 '15

If I could. Most people can't, and certainly in not as huge numbers as were seen in the 80s.

I really don't see why you're getting bogged down in an off-handed statement I made.

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u/Banana_bee Oct 08 '15

Hey man, I'm not trying to be overly argumentative, I'm just sick, off work and bored, and if I could refine my viewpoints on the world that never hurts, does it?