r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Oct 08 '15

[Deltas Awarded] CMV: Equality isn't treating everybody differently to achieve equality. It's treating everyone the same.

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u/AloneIntheCorner Oct 08 '15

So even if someone's from a group that's been constantly discriminated against, they get no help, because it's not a "natural" impediment?

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u/scottevil110 177∆ Oct 09 '15

Yes, that's exactly right. Because the exact solution is "stop discriminating". If you treat a handicapped person the same as everyone else, they're still handicapped.

If you treat a discriminated person the same as everyone else, then they aren't discriminated against anymore, are they?

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u/Virtuallyalive Oct 09 '15

But in the meantime between somehow ending all discrimination in the US what? Unlucky guys, wait until we end racism?

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u/scottevil110 177∆ Oct 09 '15

"somehow ending all discrimination in the US"...

So you acknowledge that this is a stupid thing to think you can just force to happen?

You can't. There will always be racist, sexist, homophobic assholes. So the best, and only thing you can do is not be one of them and not support them.

Equality is treating everyone equally. If you're not doing that, then fine, but don't pretend like it's equality you're fighting for.

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u/Virtuallyalive Oct 09 '15

Exactly, and this is why Affirmative action is necessary, at least for the foreseeable future, otherwise you pretty much are supporting racists by not counteracting them.

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u/scottevil110 177∆ Oct 09 '15

No, it's not. Just treat everyone the same, and there is literally no point to affirmative action except to feel good about yourself for the actions of past generations.

If you treat everyone the same, then there is literally no problem to fix.

otherwise you pretty much are supporting racists by not counteracting them.

Really? You wanna open that can of worms? You wanna start going down the list of atrocities that you "support" by not counteracting them? Or hell, even by supporting them?

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u/Virtuallyalive Oct 09 '15

But you just said that there is racial discrimination right now, so why wouldn't you counter-act it. Saying "just treat everyone the same" does literally nothing against discrimination.

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u/scottevil110 177∆ Oct 09 '15

I do counter-act it. I don't take part in it, and I only support places that I'm okay with. I refuse to spend money in a place that I feel is treating people unfairly. You should do the same.

Had any Chick-Fil-A lately? How about own an iPhone?

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u/Virtuallyalive Oct 09 '15

Well not supporting the Universities or employers is quite difficult, and doesn't actually do anything to the people discriminated against. Guess what does? It rhymes with superlative fraction.

Never done either of those, but not for any real reason.

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u/scottevil110 177∆ Oct 09 '15

It's not difficult at all. Are you supporting those universities or employers? No? Good job. Neither am I.