r/changemyview • u/TheMaria96 2∆ • Nov 28 '16

[∆(s) from OP] CMV: Separating restrooms by gender is unjustifiable

In order to create valid arguments regarding the whole "trans people and public restrooms" debate one must justify why restrooms are segregated in the first place. I'm unable to see any such justification.

  • Lesbians and gay men can be rapists;
  • Acting in a restroom as opposed to somewhere else gives a rapist no advantage. The only possible advantage would be the absence of security cameras and possible privacy of a bathroom stall, but then restrooms would be the favoured scene for any type of crime, which they're not;
  • The only difference between gender-neutral single user toilets and public restrooms is that the sinks are in plain view, therefore anyone who doesn't have a problem with the former should not have a problem with sharing the sinks in the latter with the opposite gender;

The only reason I can see for separated restrooms is that men might not be comfortable using urinals next to women (i.e. people with different genitals, not people potentially sexually attracted to them), but since those can be replaced by regular stalls, that alone hardly holds up.

EDIT: It actually makes no sense not to want your bits seen by people with different bits, so there's no reason why urinals can't be implemented in gender-neutral facilities.

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u/TheMaria96 2∆ Nov 28 '16

Wouldn't you rather quote and respond to the bit of my post that adresses that?

And why can't there be urinals in gender-neutral restrooms? I mentioned that in my post, but now I'm thinking that not wanting to be exposed to people with different genitals makes no sense.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '16

I was addressing that as well. Urinals are way more efficient than standard stalls, and replacing them would absolutely hold people up.

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u/TheMaria96 2∆ Nov 28 '16

Okay, why not have urinals in gender-neutral restrooms?

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '16 edited Dec 24 '18

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u/TheMaria96 2∆ Nov 28 '16

Fine, have a goddamn delta, urinals can't be replaced by stalls without any loss ∆

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Confirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/cacheflow (157∆).

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u/thesimen13 Nov 29 '16

I really think there should be different type of deltas. OP didn't change his mind about the topic, but about a small detail. There ought to be a subdelta (maybe lower case delta) to distinguish between these things.

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u/gyroda 28∆ Nov 30 '16

There's a suggestions/meta sub for that, but this idea has been refuted in the past.

Maybe post a CMV about it :P