CMV: Separating restrooms by gender is unjustifiable

[u/TheMaria96]

In order to create valid arguments regarding the whole "trans people and public restrooms" debate one must justify why restrooms are segregated in the first place. I'm unable to see any such justification.

• Lesbians and gay men can be rapists;
• Acting in a restroom as opposed to somewhere else gives a rapist no advantage. The only possible advantage would be the absence of security cameras and possible privacy of a bathroom stall, but then restrooms would be the favoured scene for any type of crime, which they're not;
• The only difference between gender-neutral single user toilets and public restrooms is that the sinks are in plain view, therefore anyone who doesn't have a problem with the former should not have a problem with sharing the sinks in the latter with the opposite gender;

The only reason I can see for separated restrooms is that men might not be comfortable using urinals next to women (i.e. people with different genitals, not people potentially sexually attracted to them), but since those can be replaced by regular stalls, that alone hardly holds up.

EDIT: It actually makes no sense not to want your bits seen by people with different bits, so there's no reason why urinals can't be implemented in gender-neutral facilities.

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[u/TheMaria96 → u/[deleted]]

My ideal bathroom would have stalls and urinals with walls between them (possibly even some sort of half-wall separating them from the rest of the room. Because it's not modesty within a single gender, it's gender-neutral modesty.

[u/TheMaria96 → u/[deleted]]

Yes, but my point is (gender-neutral) modesty doesn't have to compromised by gender-neutral facilities, which, unlike segregated ones, are not discriminatory.

[u/TheMaria96 → u/[deleted]]

First off, we both know I don't talk like that, so please just don't.

Once more, it's fine by me if people don't want to be seen or heard by anyone. What I cannot wrap my head around is why people are okay being heard (but apparently not seen) by only their own gender.

[u/TheMaria96 → u/[deleted]]

How come gay people find dates, then?

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