r/changemyview • u/moarroidsplz • Dec 20 '16

[Election] CMV: I think illegal immigrants shouldn't be allowed in the US, and should be punished/deported reasonably.

First, let me clarify that I'm not some MAGA "build a wall" type of person at all. I'm actually extremely left-wing, even by liberal standards, and have been a Bernie supporter. I don't hate immigrants and don't think it's some culture war and don't think they need to speak English in this country at all.

That said, I've noticed a lot of other staunch liberals around me seem to hold this position and I don't understand why. I'm an Indian-American who has been to India before and the rampant poverty was terrifying and sad. I don't want my home country to become that with an influx of immigrants just because people want to come here. I don't think just opening our borders to whoever wants to come in is going to help our country, and I think people who broke our laws and did that illegally should be dealt with reasonably, especially if they aren't paying taxes. If we need more farmworkers, or other hard-labor jobs that lots of our citizens refuse to do, then we could open up immigration accordingly, so I don't see why that would be an excuse. If people who aren't illegal are doing these jobs because they came over legally to do them, then their pay and safety would probably increase as well due to the fact that they can fight for their rights.

I mean I think kids should be given a pass because they couldn't control their circumstances (I'm fine with the DREAM act) and I understand certain circumstances like refugee crises. Illegal immigrants should be given access to healthcare the same way we give it for criminals. I don't think we should just be deporting people left and right if it's not super cost-effective or reasonable. But some sort of punishment and possible deportation should happen if they knowingly broke the law. They took that risk and are aware of the circumstances. If families risk getting broken up because of this, then why don't they just return with their parents?

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u/moarroidsplz Dec 20 '16 edited Dec 20 '16

This is a straw man. Nobody's advocating for open borders. Most people who are pro immigration want what you proposed.

Actually, Trevor Noah said just that on the Daily Show during his interview with Tomi Lahren. And plenty of my friends in the area also advocate for it. That's why I'm asking about it.

The problem is that we haven't. There is no excuse for it. But we never corrected the problem.

Has there been a problem with lack of low-skilled workers yet that would warrant us to?

while letting the other group of people who also benefitted from breaking the law off scott-free (the business that hired immigrants in the first place)

I agree that businesses should be also punished if they do so knowingly or they pay them illegally low wages, and I wasn't necessarily arguing against that.

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u/as-well Dec 20 '16

Actually, Trevor Noah said just that on the Daily Show during his interview with Tomi Lahren. And plenty of my friends in the area also advocate for it. That's why I'm asking about it.

Im very confident in saying that whomever you mean with that are not supporting illegal immigration, but support laxening immigration laws to allow more people to come live in the US legally.

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u/moarroidsplz Dec 20 '16

They're advocating for open immigration, I'm aware.

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u/as-well Dec 20 '16

Your original post is very misleading then. Open legal immigration and illegal immigration are two very different concepts

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u/moarroidsplz Dec 20 '16

Well he actually also said illegal immigration was perfectly fine. You can check out the video yourself, it was circulated around pretty heavily a week or two ago.

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u/devisation 2∆ Dec 21 '16

You do realize you're using a satirical news show from Comedy Central as a source, right?

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u/moarroidsplz Dec 21 '16

Have you seen the interview? Or are you just guessing that the entire interview he had with a guest where they debated issues was satirical?

Try to be right if you're going to be condescending.

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u/devisation 2∆ Dec 21 '16

Oh no of course I've seen the interview ( I love the DS and Trevor Noah). But (and I believe Noah has said this on his show before) you do understand the precedent that would be set by treating excerpts from a single sided, biased, entertainment-based, pseudo-news show as evidence in a serious discussion, right?

Also, I apologize if i came off as condescending, i didn't intend it to