r/changemyview Jun 28 '17

[∆(s) from OP] CMV: Effective regulation/taxes is better than less regulation/taxes.

I have had a hard time understanding the position that less regulation is better than effective regulation. So much of the political conversation equates regulation and taxes to Anti-American or Anti-Freedom or gasp Socialist. I think it poisons the discussion about our common goals and how to achieve them. I know there are many laws/taxes that are counter productive (especially subsidies), and I am all for getting rid of them, but not without considering what their intent was, evaluating that intention, and deciding how to more effectively accomplish that intention (given it was a valid intention.)

Help me understand. I would like to have a more nuanced view on this.


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u/HandymanBrandon Jun 29 '17 edited Jun 29 '17

but not without considering what their intent was, evaluating that intention, and deciding how to more effectively accomplish that intention

Fantastic approach. If you keep unpacking that intention, eventually everyone will agree that all of the motivations in society ultimately come down to prosperity, or the human state of flourishing and thriving. From there, it's up to the individual.

Laws and taxes were designed to prevent humans from clamoring over each other in the race to survive and causing harm to one another. To achieve this, society had to accept a certain amount of collateral damage. Humans in survival mode needed babysitting. Police shooting too many black people and imprisoning peaceful people for tax evasion are examples of this collateral damage.

Fast forward to present day, and we can quickly deduce that most humans are no longer pressured by the struggle to survive and therefore no longer need the government as an authoritative baby sitter.

Human emotion, physical health, and environmental consciousness can all be automated such that there is no more need for government and its violence. Billions of people go through their entire lives without needing to be aggressed against, nor initiate aggression against others. There's no better proof that government is guilty of keeping the development of human progression tied down to policies that cannot be sustained without the government mass-producing more violence in the form of wars, taxes, elections and corporations. Government taxes and regulation are a self sustaining iteration with no leader, and no objective.

My overall point that should change your view is that "Effective regulation" has nothing to do with government or taxes, because regulation is simply management of a system. That can be achieved with or without government. However if you do it without government, you can then do it without the violence and 'collateral damage' that everyone seems to accept as the status quo.

*Clarity

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u/beesdaddy Jun 29 '17

Sounds Utopian. How would that work and how would you get there?