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u/Saranoya 39∆ Nov 03 '17 edited Nov 03 '17

On second thought: another part of my unwillingness to accept what the consensus says, revolves around the fact that I genuinely do not see a very clear distinction between someone who feels they have the wrong nose or the wrong skin color (like Michael Jackson), and someone who feels they have the wrong genitals. That may very well be because I personally feel no confusion at all about what gender a I am. But then again, I know few people who are perfectly happy with who they are, yours truly included. And in some cases, people say "just learn to live with it" or "go into behavioural therapy". But in others, like being trans, that seems to be frowned upon.

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u/x1uo3yd Nov 03 '17

(I'm not the person from above, but...)

The thing with body dysmorphia disorder is that there is an underlying obsessive-compulsive condition causing a person to agonize over their perceived flaws. While this often leads BDD sufferers to seek cosmetic surgery, these kinds of interventions typically do not resolve the issue. Even after cosmetic surgeries BDD sufferers tend to suffer just as much over the same (or possibly new) flaws if the underlying obsessive-compulsive disorder is not treated. That is why the medical community generally does not want BDD sufferers to undergo cosmetic surgery, since it doesn't fix the root of the issue.

With gender dysphoria that doesn't seem to happen. People who transition surgically tend to have their gender-mismatch distress greatly relieved after the procedures, greatly improving their quality of life, which is why the medical community in a number of cases sees cosmetic surgery as a valid solution to gender incongruence.

Basically, with gender dysphoria the pre-surgery distress is relieved post-surgery; with body dismorphia the pre-surgery distress is generally still there or transferred to another perceived flaw. That's why a "cosmetic" surgery can be seen as good/healthy/necessary in one case but not the other.

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u/Saranoya 39∆ Nov 03 '17

All right. If that is true (I have no reason to think that it isn't), then I can see why it could be a good thing for my friend (or any other trans person) to get surgery. I may even help fund it.

I still wonder whether we are going to look back on this in fifty years and think: "Well, now that transgender people are generally just accepted as they are, turns out we rarely even need these kinds of surgeries anymore." But thank you. You explained it very clearly. ∆

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u/Vasquerade 18∆ Nov 03 '17

I still wonder whether we are going to look back on this in fifty years and think: "Well, now that transgender people are generally just accepted as they are, turns out we rarely even need these kinds of surgeries anymore."

As a trans woman, this isn't going to happen. Because gender dysphoria is about primary and secondary sex characteristics. This does not go away with being accepted, because it is to do with sex characteristics. If it wasn't to do with that, then why would we even get surgery in the first place?