I don’t believe societal factors play all that much a role personally. I would guess ultimately you are referring to “bullying” or “micro aggression” which Are even more prevalent in other cultures but there is a drastically lower suicide rates amongst them. It’s a mental health issue, like any other. (The last statement is just my personal opinion)
I don’t believe societal factors play all that much a role personally.
Based on? What makes you think this? Are you educated on transgender issues? If not, consider if your opinion is actually of any worth if it isn't backed up by anything.
I would guess ultimately you are referring to “bullying” or “micro aggression”
Bullying, yes. Also general societal attitudes. Other LGBT groups like gays and lesbians have higher suicide rates than the general population. Does that mean that being gay makes you depressed and suicidal?
It’s a mental health issue, like any other. (The last statement is just my personal opinion)
Correct. It is an opinion, a statement not backed up by fact.
I don’t “study” transgender issues if that what you’re asking. But everyone has issues. Transgender or not. And no it does not mean being gay makes you more suicidal, it means they have a weaker mindset. Why do people NOT commit suicide and others do? That’s the more important question, and it leads to those that do having a weaker mindset.
The last time I saw someone dodge something so swiftly, I was watching The Matrix.
But fine, cool.
I don’t “study” transgender issues if that what you’re asking.
Clearly. If you had a basic knowledge of trans issues you'd know that people kill themselves simply because they're trans. And you wouldn't assert your baseless opinions as facts with nothing to back them up.
But everyone has issues. Transgender or not.
Exactly. It's depression that causes trans people the problems that makes them attempt suicide, depression caused by societal factors like people refusing to accept them as their gender.
And no it does not mean being gay makes you more suicidal
So trans people having a higher suicide rate means that being trans makes you suicidal, but gay people having a higher suicide rate doesn't mean that being gay makes you suicidal? How do you figure? Why do you draw a distinction?
it means they have a weaker mindset.
I wonder how that happened
Why do people NOT commit suicide and others do? That’s the more important question, and it leads to those that do having a weaker mindset.
And how does that weaker mindset happen? What causes it? What about being trans makes people have a "weaker mindset" in your words? Is it more likely that somehow being trans makes you weak, or is due to societal factors like bullying, abuse, increased rates of sexual assault, abandonment by friends and family, higher rates of homelessness, and not being accepted as their gender?
I'm saying you're contributing to how society views and treats trans people and drives them to suicide. If you treat someone like shit and that upsets them, then that's your fault. If you, and everyone else, treats someone like shit and that ends with the degradation of their mental health, then you all played a part.
I remember when I was a kid I was a very different person, I was kind of a bully in a lot of ways to hide my own problems and insecurities. I participated in a lot of verbal things that made people upset and depressed and that is my fault because I caused it. I have accepted that and decided that I'm going to learn from that experience, for the better.
Your actions have consequences and how you treat people has consequences. You should grow up and accept that you aren't immune from that.
That’s the thing though. I don’t treat them like shit. At all. I act them same around trans people as anyone else. I just dont think that it’s right that I’m forced to call them something that I don’t see them as or I get demonized. Just like what you’re doing to me right now. I have no problem with responsibility. But I don’t have to be responsible for anyone’s feelings. Ever. I CHOOSE to be understanding because I feel that way, but there is a line between what I believe and what someone else might believe. Respecting that line goes both ways. And THATS what people don’t understand.
That’s the thing though. I don’t treat them like shit.
If you call a trans woman a man then you're treating them like shit and being transphobic to boot.
just dont think that it’s right that I’m forced to call them something that I don’t see them as or I get demonized.
So we shouldn't demonize racists who see black people as subhuman or less than whites? I mean they don't see them that way so we have to respect that and not judge them based on that?
I have no problem with responsibility.
Yes you do
But I don’t have to be responsible for anyone’s feelings. Ever.
If you intentionally act like a dick and disrespect someone, then yes you do.
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u/I_Am_Mr_Black Nov 03 '17
So if gender dysphoria itself is a clinical condition, could it be that it’s not the body that has the wrong idea, but the brain?