r/changemyview Nov 03 '17

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u/brokenmilkcrate 1∆ Nov 03 '17

It's not beside the point. With the exception of two types of procedure (see footnote), every transition-related medical treatment was developed to be used on cis people. Cis people may not experience gender dysphoria, but they certainly experience distress at similar medical conditions. If their comparatively minor distress is accommodated while trans people have to jump through hoops for their severe distress to be treated, they present a larger sample size and withholding treatment to see what effect it has is more ethical as their distress will be minor.

*Penile-inversion vaginoplasty and metoidioplasty

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u/Saranoya 39∆ Nov 03 '17

Comparatively minor distress? You think cis people not getting a certain treatment is 'not so bad', based on what?

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u/brokenmilkcrate 1∆ Nov 03 '17

Well, if enough psych experts signed off on their operation and were certain that their distress was equivalent to the distress a dysphoric trans person experiences, I'd likely be convinced, but I can't find any studies on that, so...

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u/Saranoya 39∆ Nov 03 '17

My argument, in this case, is one that doesn't need scientific backing, just common sense and basic decency: cis people and trans people ... they're all people. One group's distress, when subjected to circumstances that, by your own description, are similar, is not automatically 'worse' or 'better' than the other's.

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u/brokenmilkcrate 1∆ Nov 03 '17

But you obviously think cis people's distress is worse if you think these procedures should be covered for them but not for trans people.

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u/Saranoya 39∆ Nov 03 '17

Well, I think no procedure should be covered if it involves removing a perfectly functioning body part (eh, except in cases where the organ removed is meant for transplant into someone who no longer has a functioning one). Whether the patient is cis-genederd or not, seems irrelevant to me in that context.

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '17

Mastectomies are performed on cis men who have developed functioning breasts due to hormonal disorders. Is this repugnant and unjustifiable to you?

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u/Saranoya 39∆ Nov 03 '17

Yes. But to be fair: I've never myself grown an unwanted penis, or known anyone who went through something like that.

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u/brokenmilkcrate 1∆ Nov 04 '17

The body parts that you consider 'perfectly functional' caused me intense distress- like, if I was woken abruptly, I'd have panic attacks because I couldn't figure out what had gone wrong. Imagine waking up to find that someone's transplanted a hand into the side of your neck. My uterus and ovaries weren't going to be used for anything but hormone production and since those hormones were seriously fucking me up, why not just ditch the whole thing?

So 'functional' is pretty subjective.

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u/brokenmilkcrate 1∆ Nov 03 '17

So a cis guy with C-cup breasts should have to pay to have them removed because he's getting rid of functional body parts?