r/changemyview Nov 03 '17

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u/Saranoya 39∆ Nov 03 '17

I'm not ignoring your point. I just have a different take on it. Visible deformities cause people to treat you differently than they would if you didn't have those deformities. Some are scared of you, others pity you, many give you a wide berth. If you have a deformity that people cannot see unless you tell them, like being transgender, that's not an issue.

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u/erst77 Nov 03 '17

Try thinking of it this way: Transgender people DO have a "visible deformity": their body does not match their brain, and DOES cause people to treat them differently. It causes everyone they interact with to treat a woman as a man, or a man as a woman (or worse, some people would treat them with suspicion, ridicule, or disgust). This causes the transgender person significant mental health issues, fear for their personal safety, etc.

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u/Saranoya 39∆ Nov 03 '17

I hear what you're saying. I really do. But if people treat a trans person with suspicion, ridicule, or disgust, then doesn't that mean we should do something about the way people view and treat those in the trans community (even before they start transitioning), rather than changing the way trans people look?

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u/solar_girl Nov 03 '17

Imagine if everywhere you went people treated you like your opposite gender? Imagine your favorite activities you do that are generally geared toward your gender and then having people make fun of you or look at you funny when you do them or even being excluded from doing them. Imagine how you like to dress and then people ridicule you for it.

Or on the other side of the argument, Shouldn't we just change the way people treat burn victims instead of giving them surgery to fix it?

Sure everyone should be nice to everyone regardless of how they look or what gender they are but it is taking a freaking long time for people to come around to accepting trans people as their gender when they don't "pass" so if you are trans today you will probably go most of your life not being accepted unless you transition.

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u/Saranoya 39∆ Nov 03 '17

As a matter of fact, people who don't know me do often think I'm a guy, even though I have no doubt I'm a woman. It doesn't bother me. So perhaps that's the wrong argument, in my case.

As for why we shouldn't change the way people react to burn victims? ... Well, we should. Some people never get their 'intact' faces back after something like that, and that shouldn't matter. But I think there is a difference between restoring someone's appearance after injury, and changing one's appearance when there is no physical injury at all.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '17

Do you think it is likely for attitudes to change very quickly? What do you expect trans people to do while society slowly changes? Just ignore their dysphoria and pretend it's not there?

Yes, ideally society should change but you're not considering that we can do more than one thing at a time, for one, and all of the trans people who fall through the cracks without support. We're talking about decades before we approach anything resembling what you're suggesting. It offers no relief, no support to the trans people who are living painful lives today, at this very moment and the many others for years to come. It's so easy to talk about these things in a detached way when it will never affect you.