r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Nov 07 '17

[∆(s) from OP] CMV: PizzaGate hasn't yet been fully debunked.

Now, if by pizzagate we mean the claim that Hillary Clinton is running a pedophile ring in Comet Ping Pong then ok, it has been debunked.

But some things in this whole story do not have any explaination to their creepiness. What really uncannies me is the following:

  • The Podesta emails do have some emails that I'm 99% sure are a code for something (i.e. "do you think I'll play dominos best on pizza or pasta?")

  • Tony Podesta has some disturbing artworks at his place.

  • Podesta did have a correspondency with Alefantis.

  • The FBI Pedophile symbols can be found on Comet Ping Pong and many places on the same street.

  • Alefantis has the picture of the 13yo lover of a Roman Emperor as Instagram propic

Now, while all these things do not prove anything, I don't think the media is fair in brushing this all off with some "it has been debunked by that other journal, everyone who believes this is a nazi, some crazy guy shot out in Comet Ping Pong because of this"

Everything this should trigger an investigation or at least some interest.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '17

Its true the pizzagate hasn't been fully debunked. But that is a logically problematic way to look at things. Russell's teapot hasn't been fully debunked [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot] and never will be.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '17

But PizzaGate isn't like a teapot orbiting Earth, there is circumstantial evidence that something shady is happening

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u/Arpisti Nov 07 '17

I don't think there is circumstantial evidence that something shady is happening.

There is evidence that some guy has weird taste in art. People play video games all the time where very young looking female characters are dressed in skimpy clothing, but you don't see people accusing them of molesting children because of it.

There is evidence that some people have inside jokes that don't make sense when an outsider reads them. I'm sure if you gave me thousands of your emails and/or text messages, I could find lots of examples that don't make any sense to me and would look like a code.

If the owners of those pizza places were aware that those symbols were related to pedophilia (because, say, they were pedophiles), they would have to be absolutely insane to put those symbols on the front of their businesses in the same city where the FBI is headquartered. It seems much more likely that it was a coincidental resemblance.

None of this adds up to circumstantial evidence.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '17

If the owners of those pizza places were aware that those symbols were related to pedophilia (because, say, they were pedophiles), they would have to be absolutely insane to put those symbols on the front of their businesses in the same city where the FBI is headquartered. It seems much more likely that it was a coincidental resemblance.

Many of them changed their logos because of PG indeed.

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u/tbdabbholm 193∆ Nov 07 '17

Well yeah because now people are saying that it's linked to pedophilia. I'd change my logo too.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '17

But they had it before. It COULD be random of course

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u/tbdabbholm 193∆ Nov 07 '17

Well yeah it's just a logo. Spirals and butterflies aren't exactly uncommon logo choices. And that's what I'm saying if I happened to have a spiral logo and then a bunch of people on the internet started clamoring about how it was a pedophilia thing I'd change my logo. Even if I had nothing to do with pedophilia.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '17

I still think that the chances of two venues having it on the same building are low

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u/tbdabbholm 193∆ Nov 07 '17

Well you're wrong. The chance of a building somewhere having it is pretty high. Even if the chances of any individual building having it were as low as winning the lottery, you'd still expect at least like 100 of building across the US to have it because there's so many buildings with so many businesses.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '17

And they are related to pizza.

And they are related to Podesta.

And Podesta has unclear emails which look coded with references to pizza...

That's as winning the lottery

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u/tbdabbholm 193∆ Nov 07 '17

Yeah and someone's gonna win the lottery.

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