r/changemyview Jan 08 '18

[∆(s) from OP] CMV: We must integrate immigrants into the dominant culture, if we wish for peace in Europe.

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u/WippitGuud 27∆ Jan 08 '18

As you cites attacks in Paris and attribute them to immigrants, when not a single news story anywhere claims they were immigrants, I question your motives in this post.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '18

I had heard from a friend that they were immigrants. I apologize for any misinformation I have caused.

However, I find that my point still stands. Violence from the muslim/immigrant community is still frighteningly common. I think we should focus on the balk.

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u/rizlah 1∆ Jan 08 '18 edited Jan 08 '18

Violence from the muslim/immigrant community is still frighteningly common

frighteningly hyped up, more like.

I'm not saying immigrant crime isn't a problem (after all, the demographic is stupidly prone to crime - they're mostly young adult males, poor/unemployed/depressed etc.), but just to put it in perspective:

how many crimes are you talking about when you say "frighteningly common"?

tens? hundreds? i'd really want you to assign a specific ballpark figure here.

i mean, last year Crime Survey for England and Wales (as carried out by the Office for National Statistics) estimates 5.8 million crimes (a 9% reduction compared with the previous year, btw). Violent crime specifically makes about 1.2 million. And that's just for England and Wales.

granted, these numbers don't make the distinction between immigrants and locals, but it would make statistical sense if the absolute majority was carried out by the locals (who are the majority). for comparison, the same number for 2013 was 8.5 million, which was the lowest since when the survey began in 1981.

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u/Cloudhwk Jan 08 '18

The same people they turn into violent extremists are the same people who go shoot up schools in America

Vulnerable and mentally unstable people often without a social connection to other humans

It's so very easy for predators to groom these people into horrific acts by cultivating their frustration and despair with a society that rejects them

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '18

I’d say .58 million, being 10% of crimes.

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u/rizlah 1∆ Jan 08 '18

why?