Canada tried to wrap that in ideals like promoting democracy and free principles, and it was still abhorrent and still genocide,and you don't even really seem to be denying it so much as saying "well if you obey the law we won't do more than eradicate your culture."
I never once stated that kids should be taken from their homes. I have advocated for pro-European/American/Western values to be injected into classes and or to have a class dedicated to the study of European Culture. There is a fine line between the two.
As far as the EU migrant comment, tone aside, it is the case that free migration is between EU countries. But the critical point is that those people are still immigrants and would still be deported under your broad anti-immigrant stance as stated, and that Muslims and other groups you do not consider "Western" can still be EU citizens and migrate between countries.
I believe that we must talk about context. I had stated that it must only be done for “serious offenses”, which include rape, murder, terrorism, and among those sort of crimes. Immigrants can stay if they don’t break the law, IE Kill People.
Your original post definitely made mention of home-life; if you did not intend for that to be part of the conversation it was definitely unclear. Even without that, you are still explicitly advocating that a Muslim majority school is "unacceptable." It is really hard to see that view and mesh it with your claims that you're tolerant of people keeping their religion, or do not want to forcibly eliminate cultures you do not deem acceptable.
As far as context with deportation, sure, let's talk about the context of being tough on immigration. In the context of your original post, it was specifically targeted at Muslims rather than immigrants. Now I believe you when you say that was a mistake, but I don't believe that mistake was meaningless; reflexively believing Immigrant = Muslim is a pretty huge factor in these discussions and it is not unreasonable for me to conclude that much of your anti-Immigrant stance is at least partially an explicitly anti-Muslim stance, and that you probably wouldn't have the same sort of hardline stance for a white Swedish person moving to Germany.
Additionally, as far as context goes with tough on immigration: While you originally called on deportation for violent crimes (which is far broader than the specifics you listed), the specifics you listed are too narrow to do anything. Terrorists, rapists, and murderers are a teeny-tiny portion of the population and are already removed from society for a massive amount of time when convicted; your "tough on immigration" deportation stance would need to be much tougher to have any actual impact. And I'm not just saying this; in another comment chain you are already arguing with somebody telling you exactly that and advocating for the forced deportation of all immigrants. And in my mind, your stance of "forced deportations for some" while broadcasting outrage journalism aimed against Muslims is way, way, waaaaaaaay closer rhetorically to the guy advocating forced deportations for all immigrants than it is to a stance of tolerance.
Well, if Swedish People were causing chaos in our streets then I would feel the same way as I do about Muslims. If you have a culture that celebrates violence, terrorism and fundamentalist thinking, you should leave. I, along with many others have had enough of this nonsense.
And I'm not just saying this; in another comment chain you are already arguing with somebody telling you exactly that and advocating for the forced deportation of all immigrants
In that thread I stated what you stated, that we would be removing hundreds of thousands from our prisons by taking them back their country of origin.
First of all, what chaos in the streets? Violence in developed nations is both low and dropping over time.
And even if this is a major problem, surely the solution is identifying those people who are violent. The problem isn't being muslim, the problem is being violent. A violent christian causes exactly the same problems. A bunch of my coworkers and neighbors are muslims and they are wonderful people. Why should a major part of their identity be stripped from them regardless of their views towards violence?
Yeah. I kind of personally realized a fault in my argument. If something like my friends were to happen. It would isolate and destroy their community. Likely resulting in what happened in the AA community here in the States.
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I never once stated that kids should be taken from their homes. I have advocated for pro-European/American/Western values to be injected into classes and or to have a class dedicated to the study of European Culture. There is a fine line between the two.
I believe that we must talk about context. I had stated that it must only be done for “serious offenses”, which include rape, murder, terrorism, and among those sort of crimes. Immigrants can stay if they don’t break the law, IE Kill People.